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**Wes Bos:** It's a lot of work. It takes about a month to record it. So it's just re-recording it. Or I can go in and jump into a video and be like, "Hey folks, this totally changed, so you'll see me grabbing the index file in the root here, but it's now in a folder. That's where it changed." Or - this is one thing I ... |
**Mike Taylor:** Do you ever think about doing a course with Scriptaculous 1.7? It's settled down, it's pretty mature... \[laughter\] |
**Wes Bos:** That's something that I want. When I choose what to do, how fast it's moving is definitely something I take into account, just because I don't want it to be out of date. If it takes me a couple months to build this thing, I don't want it to be out of date within a month. |
\[44:06\] I've been talking with some of the Webpack guys about creating a Webpack course, and I'm like "So what are your plans with the API?" and they're like, "Oh, we're totally gonna change it again." \[laughter\] Good! So I don't know... We'll see. It's definitely something that just comes with working on cutting e... |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah. It's good that you do that, though. It's very frustrating as someone who's learning to come across a tutorial that is no longer up to date. It's so anti-helpful... So I think you're a very noble, good soul for doing that. Good work, good work! |
**Wes Bos:** Thank you. |
**Mike Taylor:** So you also teach at HackerYou? Is that just general programming stuff? What's HackerYou all about? |
**Wes Bos:** Well, I've been there for about five years, and I primarily do part-time classes. I have done two of the bootcamps, but right now I primarily do the part-time classes, as well as one to two-day workshops. |
**Alex Sexton:** Let's talk about bootcamps in general. I'm interested in your feelings on how people come out of those... You don't have to name names of others ones; do you have a general idea -- I think probably a lot of people who listen to podcasts or people who are just getting into things, maybe they're in a boo... |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, I think there's really no substitution for learning in person with somebody. Hands-on, having somebody sitting next to you in order to do that, especially when you are first learning -- that's what the bootcamps are targeted at, it's people who are looking to break into the industry. You can get up t... |
It's not for absolutely everybody; I think that there's a certain type of person that you need to be in order to make a bootcamp work for you, but I'm definitely a big fan of them. And I don't just say that because I run one; I actually think that. I've seen hundreds and hundreds of people come out of it, both from the... |
**Alex Sexton:** I guess that's kind of the next question that I'm interested in. My feeling is that the way that, and I don't think this is the case with HackerYou, but I think the average pitch for these courses is -- there's a huge lack of available programmers, and because of that, you can come in and learn everyth... |
I think they are very responsible, and I think HackerYou definitely falls into this category of more responsible -- and I don't even necessarily disagree with the idea behind that, which is definitely there's a need for programmers... Honestly, I find that the need for programmers should more be stated "There's a need ... |
**Wes Bos:** \[48:12\] Yeah... I don't have the numbers off hand, but I do know that the people are coming specifically out of the HackerYou bootcamp, within a month of graduating, I'd say about 80%-90% of them do have a paying job. It's pretty surprising how quickly people can get a job. There's lots of companies who ... |
That's generally how it is - you can get a paying job right out of the gate if you have the personality type, and then a couple years later you start to see -- are people burned out of it because they didn't actually like this? They don't actually like coding and they're frustrated that Webpack changed again and they'r... |
**Alex Sexton:** The explosion of bootcamps happened probably in the last three, four years maybe...? They existed before that, but the massive explosion of availability of these... Accreditation is not necessarily meaningful if there's no accreditation possibility and things like that, but it's really kind of difficul... |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, it is accredited actually. |
**Alex Sexton:** Oh, really? Cool! Is that a Canadian thing? |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, the Ministry of Education came along and was like, "Hey, you have to have this accredited." It's a lot of work for them; I wasn't involved in that, but I know that they did a lot of work, which is just amazing for students coming out of it now. |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, that's really great. So to that end though, I'm really interested to see what hopefully comes out of the -- I think it's a good thing for the industry if in five years after the boom you have suddenly way more programmers who have five years of experience, who have worked at their first job now a... |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, the CEO is a woman... So it was born out of this thing that we did in Toronto called Ladies Learning Code, which is... It's in the name - ladies learning code. So a lot of people who come to HackerYou and come to the bootcamp, they're coming from Ladies Learning Code, because they took a couple weeke... |
So yeah, a huge push for diversity, and I think it's great to see that sort of stuff, an increase in diversity in the industry. |
**Alex Sexton:** \[52:24\] Yeah. And I know we're three white guys on a podcast talking about diversity so we should get Heather on the show sometime for sure, because she has a lot of very interesting, good input on all this stuff. But the focus at these bootcamps on diversity seems very important and good, because a ... |
You can go to elementary schools in different parts of town and put in more computers and add more teachers doing more courses... There's all that, but that's like a 20-year path to fixing things, which we should do... But I really like that if someone came up through a different path, they can switch into the bootcamp... |
**Mike Taylor:** So Wes, you're constrained by time... The students that are in HackerYou - did you say it was ten weeks? |
**Wes Bos:** I think it's nine weeks. |
**Mike Taylor:** Okay... Naturally, I'm biased towards thinking about cross-browser compatibility and interoperability... Is it like, "Here's your assignment. If it works in Chrome, you get an A+?" or do you actually teach what the reality is of front-end development with multiple browsers? |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, that's definitely a part of it. I wouldn't say it's a huge part; obviously it's the latest Chrome, Firefox working - that's great, and then the cross-browser compatibility stuff sort of comes after... It's not a huge, huge focus, but I think that can also be a bit of a -- as important as it is, it's ... |
That stuff definitely comes, and there's definitely a lot of pain moments that you can hit along the way, but generally it's more focused on actually learning the stuff and getting the fundamentals down. |
**Alex Sexton:** I think there's definitely a difference between web compatibility in the sense that things work back to IE6 and web compatibility in the sense that things work in all current major browsers because the existing \[unintelligible 00:55:14.21\] and stuff like that. Those are two different skills... |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, and it's honestly not even that big of a deal anymore. It's funny, because you do hear these bootcamp students and part-time students going off about "Oh, freakin' IE11! It's so old! I can't believe I have to support that!" \[laughter\] I was like, "Oh, son... Sit down, and let me tell you about the ... |
**Alex Sexton:** Let me tell you about some sliding doors... |
**Mike Taylor:** \[55:50\] Off-topic, but I used to work at this music-based start-up. We redesigned the site, and it was working in all the evergreen browsers. We were using HTML5 back when that was interesting; then it turned out that the people who we were partnering with only used IE7 - these were like record indus... |
The reality of what's important and when it's important is an interesting topic that's totally not what we're talking about, so I'll be quiet now... \[laughter\] |
**Alex Sexton:** That's fine... We're kind of coming up in the last section of the podcast, where we do picks. For people who haven't listened before, this is kind of where we give (let's call it) a shoutout to maybe something that is cool in the industry, or someone, or a book, or a tutorial... And I'll start, since I... |
My pick this week is gonna be InterfaceLovers.com. I talked about it earlier - it's a website where you can go look at what inspires and got other people into design and user interfaces and UX, and kind of gain inspiration yourself. |
Mike, do you have something? Did I catch you off-guard? |
**Mike Taylor:** No, I do have something... Maybe this is not cool anymore, but I recently started using this project called Prettier... I guess it's just a JavaScript formatter, and it runs -- it's like an npm thing, so you need the Node stack to get it to work; you don't have to be developing on Node to use it, but b... |
**Alex Sexton:** Classic. Wes, how about you? |
**Wes Bos:** Mine is a Chrome extension called NiM (Node Inspector Manager). If you run a Node app from the command line and you wanna console log something, you know that it's kind of stone-agey, because all you get is text and you don't get any of the formatting that you do in the regular console, or any of the debug... |
The problem with it is every time your application starts, it gives you a new URL, so you have to copy/paste or click through that URL every single time. So what Node Inspector Manager does is it will watch your system for these instances and it will automatically open it up. |
Recently after I was chatting with the guy who builds it - now if you have a nodemon that kills your process and restarts it every single time that you save a file, it will just refresh the page to the new URL of the updated version of your debugging instance. |
So it's just like you would normally use in like a front-end debugging, you can use this to debug all of your Node stuff. |
**Alex Sexton:** That's nifty. So it's a Chrome extension that port scans your computer and watches all your processes. |
**Wes Bos:** Exactly. |
**Alex Sexton:** Make sure everyone installs it as root... \[laughs\] |
**Wes Bos:** Well, okay... You give it a port and everything, and it's on GitHub as well. Maybe I am gonna get totally hacked and whatnot, but... \[laughter\] You can manually connect to it as well, but it's no way to live your life. |
**Alex Sexton:** \[01:00:12.07\] It seems really cool, because -- and I always hate talking about Node without Mikeal, because I'm sure he goes back and listens to these and then he's yelling because he knows something that I don't, but... \[laughter\] The path to this point has been long for Node debugging. We've had ... |
The kids that you're gonna teach this to in your Node class are gonna be like, "I can't believe that it has to reload every time and it just can't do in-memory swapping of something!" Well, let me tell you... \[laughter\] |
Mike Taylor is one of my favorite "Kids, get off my lawn" tweeter, so if you don't follow Mike on Twitter, he often tweets about websites he comes across that have poor compatibility with the web in general, and his dry "get off my lawn" attitude about it is potentially some of my favorite Twitter content. And Wes is n... |
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