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**Rebecca Murphey:** No one's ever gonna use JavaScript on the server. \[laughter\] |
**Alex Sexton:** We seemed excited about it, but I think none of us really understood what it was, and we were all just excited because Twitter was so excited about it. |
**Adam Sontag:** I had my favorite story about it... |
**Alex Sexton:** Go ahead. |
**Adam Sontag:** You all know my story, which is that when Node.js came out, we all were excited about it running around in Europe, and I was like "What is No.js? What is No.js?" and like "NoSQL looks like a thing", and I was like "Oooh, so No.js is like a NoSQL of JavaScript! It's like JavaScript without JavaScript!",... |
**Alex Sexton:** No.js... I like it. |
**Adam Sontag:** So yeah... |
**Paul Irish:** Can I ask another question on this topic? Because I think one of you guys know the answer better than me... Around ES modules and .mjs extension. Because I don't really know where things are completely, but I just remember being slightly infuriated that we're gonna have to adopt .mjs for all the ES modu... |
**Alex Sexton:** \[16:07\] You kind of glossed over that -- I think Bradley Meck mostly was working on how to do importing of JavaScript modules in Node.js officially based on this stuff... I don't even know the exact details of the problem, but there was some problem where because people were doing modules in a weird ... |
We don't have a ton of time to get to the beginning of this, so we're gonna move on a little bit. There was an io.js release and fork, and a few other things, but Node.js 8 is coming out soon, so I don't think we can cover all that... Plus Mikeal's not on the show and he'll want to have opinions. |
That was our section of things that didn't exist in JavaScript since we last had an episode; I don't think we nailed it, because we talked about two things we've talked about on previous episodes, but whatever. |
The next section we have in here is things that used to exist when we had episodes, but don't anymore. I only put two things in here - YepNope... I deprecated YepNope, but people still use it; it's still very popular, for some reason. And JSConf US is something we talked about a lot... Maybe it'll come back though. |
I wanted to intentionally rush through that section because it wasn't that interesting. \[laughter\] |
**Rebecca Murphey:** Moving on...! |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah... The last thing that I wanted to talk about was a little background behind some of the language we used on the show. I don't think we ever... |
**Paul Irish:** Some kind of behind-the-scenes action, yeah? |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, a little bit of -- I don't know a different word from behind-the-scenes, actually... \[laughs\] Paul, people may have seen us talking about "editing on a clap" or "this is what's on the clap." |
**Paul Irish:** Yeah. |
**Alex Sexton:** Can you give me some background on that? |
**Paul Irish:** \[laughs\] Okay, sure. So the way that we put together yayQuery episodes - we would get together, and I think we'd get on video chat, we would get on a little EtherPad document... EtherPad was like an Ajax app with collaborative editing where everyone's edits is highlighted, so it's very clear who wrote... |
But anyways, that EtherPad instance that we had was hosted on OkSoClap.com, and this was hosted by our friend Vlad, who set the whole thing up for us. It was the coolest little instance, and it worked so good for us. Now, the history of that OkSoClap is pretty much because in the beginnings of yayQuery I think it was m... |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, it was at the beginning of every segment... \[laughter\] |
**Paul Irish:** Oh, right! And I'm starting to be like "Okay, this is how it went", and I'd be like "Okay, so... \[clap\] This is how the story goes." I'd say "Okay, so" and then I'd clap my hands; it was just like, I don't know, like a nervous tick, but it just turned into a thing that Alex picked up on and made it in... |
**Rebecca Murphey:** And that all the DNS entry doesn't resolve... |
**Adam Sontag:** \[19:52\] If I recall, Alex is a guy who knows when things are things... \[laughter\] |
**Alex Sexton:** I'm a guy who knows when things are things, and that was a thing. I think we're running up on the first break, so we're gonna take a break right now and come back with a few classic segments. |
**Break:** \[20:10\] |
**Alex Sexton:** And we're back. During the break, Paul reminded me of the fact that the OkSoClap EtherPad instance was actually used by TC39, the Technical Committee number 39 from the ECMA standards body organization system enterprise... \[laughter\] They used the OkSoClap for years to take notes, so the official Jav... |
**Paul Irish:** \[laughter\] So deep. |
**Adam Sontag:** I remember, it's a symbol of how different that whole standards process is than when we started yayQuery. It's a lot more open, and I think that that is a nice thing to point out. |
**Paul Irish:** Yeah, the fact that when we started it was a bunch of people that -- who knew who it even was? And then nowadays not only Rick Waldron has been involved in it forever, but people from Twitter and Node, and a lot of actual JavaScript developers from the community are engaged in TC39, so it's a much diffe... |
**Alex Sexton:** I think it was Rick that was the crossover between yayQuery backchanneling and taking notes at TC39 meetings. And he did that through the jQuery Foundation seat that we bought on TC39 for him and Yehuda. So it was actually -- the popularity of jQuery was able to raise enough money to create a foundatio... |
I think a lot of that history of the community - getting more involved and stuff - was really nifty, and nice, and I'm glad to have seen it happen. |
I forgot... Mikeal and Rachel are gonna be gone next week, and I need to get Rick on the show maybe... We'll see. |
**Rebecca Murphey:** You could just do this again. |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah... Whatever. |
**Adam Sontag:** I can shave my head, or something. \[laughter\] |
**Alex Sexton:** We'll just fully take over the podcast, lock Rachel and Mikeal up in a closet every Friday. |
**Adam Sontag:** I could do a part where I talk about steak, or something... I don't know. |
**Rebecca Murphey:** The steak that you flew home with you? |
**Adam Sontag:** Oh, that's a different story! |
**Rebecca Murphey:** Oh!! |
**Alex Sexton:** I'm lost. There's a soundboard... Sometimes we get Rachel talking about cat hair, which is probably my favorite one. Can we play that? |
"Hold on, I have cat hair in my mouth..." \[laughter\] |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, it's really good... Don't say anything you don't want to be turned into-- |
"Oh wait, that happens on an episode of Gilmore Girls... I know what that is." |
**Alex Sexton:** That was about Node.js' forking into io.js... That was the Gilmore Girls, season two, episode three. |
\[24:01\] Let's get into a classic segment. This is a little segment... It's about little, tiny things that you never thought you knew. It's something that we like to call |
\[all together, loud\] "Hideeeeenhancements!" \[The Little Tiny Things/ You Never Thought You'd See\] |
**Alex Sexton:** And if we're lucky, we'll edit some audio for our old song to be there. |
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