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[2793.80 --> 2795.86] I'm going to take a short little break here. |
[2795.90 --> 2798.08] And then when we come back, we're going to talk about the project of the week. |
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[2845.68 --> 2846.90] And now back to the show. |
[2846.90 --> 2852.10] The project of the week this week is Electron. |
[2852.92 --> 2854.88] There's been so much stuff about Electron. |
[2854.96 --> 2857.48] I'm sure that we've talked about Electron apps on here. |
[2858.22 --> 2861.00] I know that the changelaw did like a whole episode as well. |
[2861.00 --> 2870.80] Just for some quick background, Electron is a way to build desktop applications for Mac, Windows, and Linux using Node.js and browser technologies. |
[2871.24 --> 2875.84] So if you can make a website and use Node.js, you can write an Electron app. |
[2875.84 --> 2883.50] And it was originally broken out of the Atom editor that GitHub was doing. |
[2883.64 --> 2885.78] It was initially called, I think, Atom Shell. |
[2886.66 --> 2891.98] And then Jessica Lord and some of the good people at GitHub moved it into its own project. |
[2892.14 --> 2893.16] And now it's really taken off. |
[2893.16 --> 2904.02] And some of the Electron apps that people might know of is like Hyper and Slack and something that we talked about recently, which is WebTorrent and stuff like that. |
[2904.42 --> 2908.86] Visual Studio Code, which is my current editor of choice as well. |
[2910.34 --> 2919.64] Yeah, it's one of the interesting things that I've seen about it is that I think a lot of people initially viewed it as like, oh, I can take my website and turn it into a desktop app. |
[2919.74 --> 2921.42] That's sort of what the Slack app does. |
[2921.42 --> 2927.18] Or, you know, I can write desktop apps, but it's a pain to do them cross-browser. |
[2927.34 --> 2928.98] So I will write them in this instead. |
[2929.46 --> 2938.00] But what I've seen lately are applications that I don't think would even exist if it wasn't for, you know, having unrestricted access to Node.js. |
[2939.48 --> 2942.72] And then just being able to put a browser front end on that. |
[2942.90 --> 2945.10] Like, just the size of the ecosystem is so amazing. |
[2945.10 --> 2952.74] You know, MongoDB has like a new DB admin thing that's like a desktop app with Electron. |
[2953.16 --> 2958.28] Voltra is like this new music app that is like way prettier and nicer than iTunes. |
[2958.28 --> 2963.16] And that is just, you know, because like they knew Node.js really well. |
[2963.22 --> 2965.58] They can really dig into the nitty-gritty there. |
[2965.92 --> 2970.20] And they need like a lot of the stuff that they're doing with data storage and syncing and stuff. |
[2970.28 --> 2971.64] They need that performance, that layer. |
[2971.74 --> 2973.24] They couldn't just do it as a pure web app. |
[2974.52 --> 2975.94] So it's awesome. |
[2976.76 --> 2978.40] Have you built anything with Electron? |
[2978.40 --> 2981.02] Yes, yes. |
[2982.24 --> 2991.64] I mean, I've gone through – I wrote a little kind of browser viewer on top of IPFS because I wanted to play around with IPFS. |
[2991.82 --> 2994.06] So I made like a little like drag and drop thing. |
[2995.40 --> 3002.82] I have – I'm about halfway done with like a desktop version of Roll Call that uses Electron as well. |
[3003.24 --> 3006.32] And then I pulled down and just worked with a couple projects. |
[3006.32 --> 3011.84] Like I dug into the Brave code at one time, which is also an Electron app. |
[3013.16 --> 3015.22] And – or it was back then. |
[3015.28 --> 3016.84] I think now they're on their fork of Electron. |
[3018.12 --> 3021.96] And there was another app that I can't remember that I sent a pull request to. |
[3022.08 --> 3023.78] And so I had to pull it down that way. |
[3023.90 --> 3024.96] And all of them have been great. |
[3025.02 --> 3026.22] I mean, I'm comfortable with Node. |
[3027.64 --> 3031.44] So it's a really kind of comfortable place to be to develop in. |
[3031.88 --> 3032.44] What about you? |
[3032.50 --> 3035.36] Yeah, I mean, I'm super comfortable with Node too. |
[3035.36 --> 3041.78] And Electron like has always been something that, you know, I have known existed as a thing. |
[3042.44 --> 3051.66] But like is there anything extra that people that already know how to build like web applications with Node would need to know in order to get up and running with Electron? |
[3051.78 --> 3054.90] Or does Electron kind of like just wrap around all that stuff? |
[3054.90 --> 3057.32] I mean, it wraps around all of it. |
[3057.32 --> 3065.34] But also, I think – like I don't think that we can underestimate like how much stuff there is in NPM right now. |
[3065.42 --> 3066.40] Like how many modules. |
[3066.86 --> 3080.12] And to make like a lot of web apps work, a ton of what you do is that you build these backend services that just, you know, talk to something that is like has less security around it and more of the Node ecosystem. |
[3080.12 --> 3082.24] And then you push that to the browser in some way. |
[3083.24 --> 3095.54] And I've seen a lot of people just get up and running so quickly on their ideas because they can just store directly on the file system and access every module in NPM and then put a web frontend on it and not have to spin up a backend service. |
[3095.54 --> 3102.34] Not have to deal with, you know, a frontend and a backend where they just like kind of have it all mashed together in this environment in Electron. |
[3103.66 --> 3104.06] Alex? |
[3104.92 --> 3105.28] Yeah? |
[3105.28 --> 3106.94] Have you made anything? |
[3107.90 --> 3108.82] In Atom? |
[3108.90 --> 3109.10] No. |
[3110.44 --> 3130.34] I – my experience with Atom or in Electron has been installing the Electron bin for like – actually, we used Electron in order to do screenshots for our CSS library visual diffs. |
[3130.34 --> 3139.40] Because it was easier to just run Electron cross-browser, render something, and then use the stuff to take a screenshot. |
[3140.02 --> 3145.00] And then not even reload pages, just inject the new components into the same page. |
[3145.38 --> 3148.96] And then you could take like a ton of screenshots all in a row and it ended up being really fast. |
[3149.04 --> 3150.64] I think there's an open source library that we have. |
[3150.78 --> 3151.70] I can find the leak. |
[3151.70 --> 3155.00] But yeah, so I used it for a pretty different thing. |
[3155.28 --> 3160.46] But yeah, like that may be an interesting use case of it. |
[3160.56 --> 3167.62] It's just like it's a cross-browser environment to run HTML in headlessly, which is kind of cool. |
[3168.50 --> 3168.64] Yeah. |
[3169.00 --> 3178.86] What was the thing that – this is going to be a horrible – it's going to showcase my horrible memory. |
[3178.86 --> 3183.78] What was the thing that Adobe had that was allowing you to make apps easier? |
[3184.72 --> 3187.98] It might have just been like in Macs or something. |
[3188.10 --> 3189.94] Does anyone know what I'm talking about? |
[3190.46 --> 3196.22] Yeah, they had an editor and then they had – yeah, the name of the stuff. |
[3196.34 --> 3199.98] But it was like kind of Dreamweaver 2000 or whatever. |
[3200.56 --> 3201.00] Well, no. |
[3201.54 --> 3203.08] Not Dreamweaver. |
[3203.08 --> 3208.70] It was one that actually let you get some kind of – obviously, I guess it's not as notable. |
[3208.70 --> 3208.82] Adobe Air? |
[3209.50 --> 3210.88] Yes, Adobe Air. |
[3211.34 --> 3213.48] Thank you, Corbin, you in the panel. |
[3214.44 --> 3214.76] Thanks. |
[3215.92 --> 3216.84] Okay, cool. |
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