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[3217.42 --> 3218.04] Adobe Flex.
[3218.24 --> 3220.76] And Flex, I think, is what it eventually became, right?
[3221.18 --> 3224.96] Flex was the framework that you wrote in.
[3225.60 --> 3229.28] And you wrote that Air was the container that it would run in.
[3229.82 --> 3230.60] Okay, okay.
[3230.60 --> 3232.74] Hold on, the cops are coming again.
[3234.86 --> 3236.26] It was all Flash-based.
[3236.52 --> 3237.58] Action script.
[3238.64 --> 3242.24] The cops are coming to arrest Rachel for talking about Adobe Flash.
[3244.44 --> 3245.26] Excuse me now.
[3245.28 --> 3246.10] Oh, okay, cool.
[3246.26 --> 3249.88] So, I mean, I remember when that came out and I was like, whoa, this is rad.
[3249.88 --> 3258.66] And, I mean, Electron seems like – I know that people are talking about it a lot, but I feel like people should be talking about it more.
[3258.66 --> 3272.02] I know that's just like a hand-wavy thing to say, but like, why aren't people that are making like pretty rad apps just not also like by default making them in Electron as well?
[3272.72 --> 3273.32] Does anybody know?
[3273.88 --> 3278.40] Because the web is important, an important distribution platform.
[3278.40 --> 3286.68] And defaulting to native applications is maybe not the best strategy to reach the most people.
[3287.34 --> 3288.06] Well, I mean –
[3288.06 --> 3289.68] Go ahead.
[3290.54 --> 3292.40] Well, like, there's –
[3293.58 --> 3306.26] I think, like, if you talk to people that have apps that people use, like, in their – like, daily, like any app that you use for kind of business or anything that you open up daily, people prefer desktop applications.
[3306.26 --> 3306.66] True.
[3307.30 --> 3307.88] Like, yeah.
[3308.74 --> 3315.92] Well, they don't have to, but if you talk to, like, Slack, for instance, right, like, they have ostensibly the exact same thing on their – on the website as they do on the desktop.
[3316.04 --> 3320.44] And the desktop has a lot more engagement because – yeah.
[3320.56 --> 3329.46] But getting to people initially, asking them to, you know, before they've seen any value, download this thing, it is a bit of a stretch for a lot of use cases.
[3329.46 --> 3329.90] Right.
[3329.90 --> 3336.04] But I think that once you have people's attention and you really want to up their engagement, that's where desktop applications are really useful.
[3337.26 --> 3337.88] I agree.
[3338.48 --> 3338.80] There we go.
[3338.86 --> 3341.56] Well, we still value the desktop, it looks like.
[3342.72 --> 3345.96] But, yeah, there's been some great articles lately.
[3346.62 --> 3351.80] So, GitHub, actually, they have these GitHub desktop apps that they built a while back.
[3351.80 --> 3354.26] And they had not actually moved them to Electron yet.
[3354.46 --> 3363.20] And so, they wrote up their experience of, you know, some C Sharp and Objective-C developers that are used to writing, you know, native applications for Windows and Mac.
[3363.36 --> 3366.92] What their experience was like, you know, moving to Electron and doing Electron stuff.
[3367.10 --> 3368.08] It's pretty interesting.
[3368.28 --> 3369.64] I recommend it.
[3371.94 --> 3372.38] Yeah.
[3372.44 --> 3372.76] All right.
[3373.30 --> 3374.16] Let's move on to our picks.
[3374.90 --> 3375.50] All right.
[3375.56 --> 3377.38] Everybody got their picks locked and loaded?
[3378.34 --> 3379.70] Yeah, but mine's a cop out.
[3379.70 --> 3380.14] Okay.
[3381.14 --> 3382.94] Well, we'll start with your cop app then.
[3383.04 --> 3384.26] And then we'll go up from there.
[3384.26 --> 3385.56] It's create React App 1.0, baby.
[3386.04 --> 3386.98] Oh, shut up.
[3387.56 --> 3389.54] You can't pick the project of the week.
[3389.64 --> 3390.32] That's like cheating.
[3390.96 --> 3391.30] Okay.
[3391.56 --> 3392.22] Webpack 2.
[3396.32 --> 3397.60] Tell us about Webpack 2.
[3397.66 --> 3398.14] What's in it?
[3399.18 --> 3399.92] Tree shaking.
[3402.48 --> 3408.18] So, I'm going to go on a little bit of a tangent here.
[3408.18 --> 3409.72] And you're going to get mad about it.
[3410.10 --> 3414.24] But I think that if you need tree shaking, you're dependent on some anti-patterns.
[3414.40 --> 3419.98] I don't think that we should have these grab bag modules with a bunch of other properties in them that you should be shaking out.
[3420.18 --> 3424.40] I think that we should be using modules that do one thing and only export one thing.
[3424.44 --> 3425.84] And then you don't need to tree shake.
[3428.02 --> 3428.76] There you go.
[3429.40 --> 3429.62] Maybe.
[3431.22 --> 3431.58] Maybe.
[3431.58 --> 3434.22] It's an amazing rebuttal.
[3436.30 --> 3436.74] Maybe.
[3439.96 --> 3442.30] Anyway, my pick of the week.
[3443.36 --> 3444.56] Were you going to say something else?
[3444.64 --> 3445.16] Go ahead, Ale.
[3445.16 --> 3458.42] I was going to say that I agree to an extent that if you write something that is a little bit, does a few too many things, then tree shaking becomes a crutch.
[3458.96 --> 3462.48] But I also think that, like, take a substack something.
[3462.78 --> 3470.20] Take a set of tools that are only substack and you'll still get some benefit from tree shaking in the end.
[3470.20 --> 3472.68] It won't be massive, but might as well do it.
[3473.80 --> 3483.48] So I think tree shaking becomes even more cool when it can, the dead code removal, like, types plus.
[3484.64 --> 3488.56] So I guess you guys are gone when we made this, the project of the week.
[3488.72 --> 3490.38] It was, what was that thing?
[3490.84 --> 3493.96] Code something came out recently.
[3494.16 --> 3494.48] Facebook.
[3495.84 --> 3496.88] It was the project.
[3496.88 --> 3508.30] Anyways, it tries to, like, code unroll and, like, pre-compute things that are already, like, available to compute at runtime or at compiler time.
[3509.12 --> 3515.72] And so things like that are also going to be massive, like, to where, like, there's an if statement inside of a substack module.
[3516.22 --> 3519.06] And there's no way that's going to run based on the configuration.
[3519.62 --> 3521.46] And therefore, it can be compiled out.
[3521.68 --> 3524.48] And that's tree shaking, like, and it should be fine.
[3525.60 --> 3526.24] Use it all.
[3526.24 --> 3527.24] Use everything.
[3527.44 --> 3528.84] Use every minifier at the same time.
[3532.98 --> 3533.90] All right.
[3534.76 --> 3536.00] Rachel, what's your pick?
[3536.96 --> 3544.94] So my pick of the week is a talk from JS Confu that just happened that I unfortunately did not get to see in person.
[3545.30 --> 3547.78] But it's from Anjana Vakil.
[3547.96 --> 3550.86] And it's about immutable data structures for functional JS.
[3550.86 --> 3568.52] And she just, like, explains it in such a really simplified, easy-to-understand way for people that don't really understand what, you know, immutability or mutability or functional, like, programming looks like.
[3568.52 --> 3569.52] Like, AKA me.
[3569.52 --> 3579.52] And so, like, she just gives visuals that explains, like, how nodes work and how, like, you can do different things with it.
[3579.52 --> 3586.78] And how it, like, you can have the arrays structured in, well, I guess that's what mutability and immutability is.
[3586.78 --> 3589.06] But she explains it in a way that makes sense.
[3589.46 --> 3606.70] And she talks about it in context of David Nolan's Maury library and Facebook's immutable JS library and shows examples from both so that you're able to, like, one, understand the concept and see how different libraries are handling that kind of thing.
[3606.70 --> 3612.66] So, yeah, if anybody else was wondering about that kind of thing, there's a link to it.