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**Adam Stacoviak:** That's true. |
**Zed Shaw:** So they don't have to make calls out to some central repository that's tracking everything they use. They can keep that a secret. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Which you can run data analysis on, and machine learning and algorithms, and ranking... |
**Zed Shaw:** Yeah. Can you imagine - if you're a company and you're doing this; everyone is checking their software, and you've got a central database, you know every company and all the things they're running. Then your competitor buys that company, and you're like "Oh man, now they know everything we run." So if it'... |
**Jerod Santo:** So in your opinion, if every corporation were to agree that the best thing they could do with regard to open source software is to give cash money - in whatever denomination the developer desires, according to their locality - to the people who are writing the open source software that the company runs... |
**Zed Shaw:** If you take, say, a company like Google, they're worth like 500-600 billion. 1% would be like 50 billion dollars. I think that's more money than all of the open source industry ever made in its entire existence, right? So it wouldn't take much. You could do fractions. Google could go down to one billion d... |
**Jerod Santo:** That's why I said -- this is in your fantasy. |
**Zed Shaw:** It's NEVER gonna happen. I think actually what's gonna happen is people are just gonna stop making open source, and then these companies are gonna be fairly desperate. But I think if they donated fractions of percentage and they just gave it as direct money to developers, or worked it in a system where li... |
**Jerod Santo:** We've definitely seen that happen... It's something I would love to see happen a lot more. |
**Zed Shaw:** \[01:28:07.27\] A lot more, right? A typical strategy is "Hey, buddy. You wanna come work on your open source? Oh, sorry, can you go move that CSS button over two pixels left? Don't work on your open source." It's like a bait and switch. |
**Jerod Santo:** Once you get there, you're not working on it anymore? |
**Zed Shaw:** Totally not. You're working on whatever is gonna make the company money. So I think if they don't start making it so that open source is a viable career choice, where I can say "I'm an open source programmer. I work on this project, and this project gets this much from these companies that use the softwar... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, it's been a fun trip down this lane with you, Zed, going back to the beginning of your open source career, on through to this (I guess) happy place you are. You seem happy, right? |
**Zed Shaw:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Mostly happy. You've got your rants, but you're happy. You're making money, you've got your books, you're doing education, you're helping developers... |
**Jerod Santo:** Making music, making art... |
**Zed Shaw:** I think one of the things that people misunderstand - they sort of see a one-sided person in everyone. We're very good at stereotyping people into one thing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Zed Shaw:** So they think if I disagree with the way open source is run, that I'm an angry person, I totally hate it, I'm miserable... But it's not true; it's just thoughts, disagreements... I maybe wear them a little strongly, but it doesn't mean I'm in my bathroom trying to cut myself to the latest Cigarettes After... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:30:47.06\] Well, Zed, thank you so much for coming on with us. It's been a blast. You came on the show before, I didn't get a chance to talk to you -- it was so long ago... But to now finally get a chance to circle back, eight years later almost (ish), it's been a blast. Thank you so much for s... |
**Jerod Santo:** He's off Twitter, man. Zed, what's the best way people can get a hold of you? If they're not going to attack you, or give you death threats, or anything like that... You're open to conversation, right? |
**Zed Shaw:** Totally. |
**Jerod Santo:** We've had a great conversation here... So is it email? What's the best way -- folks can't catch you on Twitter anymore; how should they get in touch? |
**Zed Shaw:** What you can do is I have my blog, ZedShaw.com. That's kind of my personal little thing; you can go there, pop a comment in... I'll probably write a little blog post about this and announce it, so that way people can go and comment. And if you wanna talk to me about books and stuff like that, you can go t... |
Yeah, that's pretty much it. If you wanna buy my books, I would really appreciate it. You can go to LearnCodeTheHardWay.org and you can get them there. I'm also in the future gonna be producing a painting book, a painting course, totally free. I'm gonna take the money that I make from my programming books and I'm gonna... |
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