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[867.96 --> 872.22] via the touch bar. There are just certain things that took me, like it took me a year, maybe nine |
[872.22 --> 877.92] months before I used it for anything except for angrily hitting escape. But it's starting to slowly |
[877.92 --> 882.50] like work its way into my life in ways that I could definitely live without, but in ways that I think are |
[882.50 --> 891.08] additive and not just subtracting. What's the entry level MacBook pro price? I'm trying to grab it. |
[891.10 --> 896.14] Cause we were talking about accessibility in terms of affording a device like this. I mean, |
[896.20 --> 902.30] 1200 bucks, which is the entry level new MacBook air still isn't super affordable. I mean, still a |
[902.30 --> 906.58] high end starting price. Yeah. Especially now that they have a Mac mini that starts at 800, you can, |
[906.66 --> 911.32] you know, cobble together an old screen and a keyboard and you have an even, even cheaper way in |
[911.32 --> 920.74] to development, but definitely a cheap way at 1290 or 1199, a nice price, but it's not like you can't |
[920.74 --> 925.74] get into development for cheaper. Right. Adam, there's tons of other devices you could do. |
[926.08 --> 932.04] Right. The entry level MacBook pro, which is a 2.3 dual core processor, all the specs, whatever 1299. |
[932.24 --> 937.34] So we're talking about a hundred bucks more. Yeah. And actually comparing those prices as an entry |
[937.34 --> 949.92] level. Um, one that doesn't include, that's the older, uh, model 13 inch that's sans the touch bar. |
[950.14 --> 955.40] So you're not getting the latest gen. So if you, if you look at it and you say, well, give me the |
[955.40 --> 963.18] latest gen MacBook pro at the cheapest price. I think we're looking at 1799. That's the latest |
[963.18 --> 969.24] quad core processor, eight generation versus seventh. It's still an i5 processor, but you know, |
[969.24 --> 978.18] when you go over to the air being 1199, it's just, it's an accessible price. Yeah. |
[978.86 --> 987.10] I really do think that this, this computer feels like the ideal portable developer machine, |
[987.10 --> 995.36] because the, the specs seem to be just right for what you would need to, to do most development, |
[995.36 --> 1005.00] um, you know, web and, and software at least. And, uh, the, the, the size of this thing |
[1005.00 --> 1011.70] is just wonderful. I think, didn't it say that it weighs like something like 2.75 pounds. I mean, |
[1011.70 --> 1020.32] that's, that's just crazy to me. Um, it, I love, yeah, I love that it has two Thunderbolt, |
[1020.86 --> 1026.24] two Thunderbolt three ports, so you can hook it up to an external display if you want to. |
[1027.24 --> 1032.76] Um, and, and I also, I love that they're doing the, the three different colors, you know, |
[1032.84 --> 1038.42] especially space gray. I, I wish they'd, they'd make something matte black, but you know, |
[1038.42 --> 1044.96] I'll take space gray. So you're, you're also, Tim, you left this note for the Thunderbolt ports here, |
[1044.98 --> 1050.66] which was glad they did this instead of USB-C. Yeah. MacBook, which I totally agree. Cause like, |
[1050.66 --> 1055.36] if you're going to give me USB-C and not Thunderbolt three on a Mac, I'm going to punch you. |
[1056.98 --> 1062.50] Okay. Seriously. Like who wants three, you know, USB 3.0 speeds or 3.1 speeds or whatever, |
[1062.50 --> 1067.64] like give me Thunderbolt three options or I'm super angry. Like don't even give me the peripheral. |
[1067.64 --> 1071.40] At that point, just take it away. Yeah. And that's why I say. |
[1071.40 --> 1073.76] Plugging in that you would like the Thunderbolt. Drives. |
[1074.88 --> 1081.58] Yeah. Drives. Drives and displays. Yeah. I guess, yeah. Drives and displays are multiple displays. I |
[1081.58 --> 1090.42] mean, you don't want to plug in any drive, uh, that has Thunderbolt three at USB 3.1 speeds. |
[1090.42 --> 1095.58] You just don't. In most pro cases, you're doing a raid setup. |
[1097.18 --> 1105.06] And the point of it is, is access to an external drive that has a much more expandability at a |
[1105.06 --> 1111.00] cheaper than Apple price point with speed. That's the point. And if you take that away, |
[1111.04 --> 1112.82] it's like, just, you should have kept it. |
[1112.82 --> 1118.16] I definitely agree. It's good to have it in there. I think for our MacBook air for entry |
[1118.16 --> 1124.22] level MacBook air, which is now aside from the new Mac mini is I think the cheapest way into |
[1124.22 --> 1128.80] an Apple laptop, besides going back, you know, previous models are buying used. |
[1129.28 --> 1133.28] I could see where it, I mean, it's, it's awesome that they put it in there and maybe it's didn't |
[1133.28 --> 1137.66] cost them any extra to do the Thunderbolt versus just the typical USB 3.1. |
[1137.66 --> 1142.16] I think it comes down to the motherboard really is what enables that. So I think, |
[1142.48 --> 1146.36] you know, I'm not sure what the, what they have to do to engineer that, but it comes down to |
[1146.36 --> 1152.70] the bus and the motherboard speed and all the things that has to do in addition to say, |
[1152.80 --> 1159.94] faster battery life, room for better speakers, all this space that just get munged into this 13.3 |
[1159.94 --> 1165.52] inch, you know, brand new aluminum alloy, a hundred percent recycled boom, whatever, you know, |
[1165.52 --> 1170.62] like you got a lot to shove in there. And I, I agree. I'm really glad that they, |
[1170.70 --> 1175.10] they did whatever was necessary because I can't imagine what it is. I'm not that level of smart, |
[1175.26 --> 1181.88] but I do appreciate it because that's critical, critical. Like this machine MacBook air, |
[1182.02 --> 1186.52] in my opinion is probably, I almost regret buying a MacBook pro. |
[1187.28 --> 1192.52] Let me throw out a few more stats in agreement with Tim on the kind of the idea that this might be |
[1192.52 --> 1198.58] the ultimate in portable development environments, uh, aside unless you want to get something that's, |
[1198.58 --> 1203.16] you know, in the super low price range, cause it's still 1200 bucks. It's not super low, but, |
[1203.60 --> 1209.76] uh, like Tim said, 2.75 pounds, crazy light, which is 70, 17% smaller than the previous |
[1209.76 --> 1214.92] MacBook air, which was the skinniest thing they made anyways in laptop size. That being said, |
[1214.92 --> 1218.94] I was wondering like, are they going to keep the air moniker because the MacBook pros are so small |
[1218.94 --> 1225.92] now is the MacBook air actually feel like it's airy. And I think, I think 2.75 pounds says yes. |
[1226.52 --> 1233.64] Uh, but the all day battery life, uh, interestingly, 13 hours of movie playback and 12 hours of web |
[1233.64 --> 1240.50] browsing playback, which is crazy town. Right. So the web is just, Oh, come on web devs. Like we're |
[1240.50 --> 1245.78] just killing people's batteries out there. And you know, we know that we have GPU and other, uh, |
[1245.78 --> 1251.56] specific playback encodings on chips and stuff. So they're, they're optimizing video playback. |
[1251.56 --> 1257.08] Whereas the web just does its thing. I didn't notice that actually. That's a good, uh, good |
[1257.08 --> 1260.90] point that. Yeah. You get an extra hour if you're watching movies versus if you're browsing the web, |
[1261.20 --> 1264.98] maybe they should do that test with an ad blocker on and you'll probably get a lot more, |
[1264.98 --> 1273.04] a lot more web browsing, but is that video on YouTube? Cause that is the web. If you're at least |
[1273.04 --> 1278.30] if you had a browser open up, you know, because there's no native YouTube app. That's true. |
[1278.98 --> 1283.58] I would, I would, yeah, I would think that when they say video playback, they're, they're talking |
[1283.58 --> 1289.38] about like their native. Yeah. Yeah. Something inside of, yeah, exactly. Well, I would say that's |
[1289.38 --> 1297.20] such a more controllable environment, right? Like you can control the H264, H265 codecs so much easier |
[1297.20 --> 1304.56] than you can, you know, anybody can create it on the web web. Sure. Even, even then though, |
[1304.74 --> 1311.50] even if they were talking about YouTube, I don't think that that number would be like, it would be a, |
[1311.50 --> 1317.78] a, a more drastic cog on your battery necessarily because my only concern would be ads is the |
[1317.78 --> 1322.34] rotation of ads. If you're like a non-premium YouTube user, you're going to have ads, you're |
[1322.34 --> 1328.62] going to have other things happening inside the playback, which is like the smart clickable |
[1328.62 --> 1335.76] options and just like different things that would change the, to a more dynamic video than |
[1335.76 --> 1342.70] say just a straight through codec. Sure. But still those things are like hyper optimized, |
[1342.70 --> 1351.02] you know, and you can listen to music much. I said the way and the web is not, that's the |
[1351.02 --> 1356.04] moral of the story. Yeah. Yeah. Is music an important feature for you when you have |
[1356.04 --> 1362.30] playback with a device like that? Are you listening to much music from your actual MacBook speakers? |
[1363.80 --> 1369.80] Not me personally. I mean, they're, I mean, they're AirPods or most of the music I listen to is on my |
[1369.80 --> 1375.58] iPhone, which is next to me. Right. I mean, I do, I do turn on music on the Mac and I guess I listen |
[1375.58 --> 1379.96] to other speakers, but I just, it's usually background noise. So it's not like a huge concern, but if they can get |
[1379.96 --> 1384.74] a lot louder, that's always nice. They have the hi-fi speakers. I miss most of that section, but |
[1384.74 --> 1389.80] I'm not sure what all that entails, but they're, the speakers are better than the previous generation. |
[1389.92 --> 1396.46] I would say that the speakers are good in the cases of when you're doing conferencing with people, |
[1396.46 --> 1401.90] because that's where maybe you have headphones on. You don't have to, because they have noise |
[1401.90 --> 1406.68] canceling and like, you know, what comes out of the speakers and go back into the mic kind of |
[1406.68 --> 1412.00] situation. So hearing people better when you're on the road, which is the whole point of a laptop, |
[1412.64 --> 1418.62] right? Is there a, in this case, a MacBook, right? You gotta be on brand, you know, is that you can |
[1418.62 --> 1424.16] actually hear something, maybe have your AirPods on, maybe have headphones on since it does actually |
[1424.16 --> 1428.38] have the headphone jack, which we haven't mentioned. They could have maybe gone a little thinner, |
[1428.38 --> 1435.84] I guess if they remove that, which they seem to refuse to do on their, their hardware. I mean, |
[1435.88 --> 1444.94] kudos to them because I still use it. But to me, like if I had to take, if I had to buy a brand new |
[1444.94 --> 1452.08] machine today that was like, okay, Adam, take this thing and it's your to go studio, right? Maybe you |
[1452.08 --> 1457.86] could do some development on, of course, to go studio, run audition. I don't do much in Photoshop |
[1457.86 --> 1464.14] these days. I couldn't, I think based on the specs alone, and I'm just assuming here, I could buy a |
[1464.14 --> 1469.70] MacBook air and still take it with me and do all the necessary audio creative things we do. Yep. As |
[1469.70 --> 1475.14] well as the development creative things we do here at Changing. So, I mean, this would be an all-in-one |
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