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[2817.36 --> 2823.46] so there's a lot of reasons why companies will contract someone third party in order to get their |
[2823.46 --> 2830.26] products evaluated um so there seems to be a couple of issues here one of them is that um |
[2830.26 --> 2836.80] principled technologies you know actually there was a there was a big to-do about uh ryan shroud from pc |
[2836.80 --> 2843.42] perspective creating like a secondary side business that's all about this kind of consultation for |
[2843.42 --> 2848.28] companies it's not this one just to be super clear yeah it's not principled technologies um so i think |
[2848.28 --> 2854.54] is shroud research something like that so anyway um so so there's a couple of problems here because |
[2854.54 --> 2860.72] one people are mad because the results were not necessarily reflective of the real world differences |
[2860.72 --> 2865.52] in performance between intel and their own processors and intel's new processor and amd's processors |
[2865.52 --> 2872.84] but i think that people are getting a making a bit of a mountain out of a mole here here because we |
[2872.84 --> 2878.10] don't mole here mole heel here because we don't know what the intent was we don't actually know if |
[2878.10 --> 2883.02] principled technologies is completely incompetent and we don't know if intel did this out of malice |
[2883.02 --> 2889.68] because obviously the pre-orders on a cpu remember this is a supply chain that has taken decades to |
[2889.68 --> 2895.90] develop like the pre-orders on a cpu are not significant this isn't like a game where you are |
[2895.90 --> 2901.18] making you know and i'm using arbitrary numbers here but where you are making 50 of your total sales |
[2901.18 --> 2908.10] for this title within the first couple of weeks it's not like that well you have you have experience |
[2908.10 --> 2913.98] at a retailer yes so you will typically see a spike you'll typically see a couple weeks where your |
[2913.98 --> 2921.24] where your weekly run rate is 30 to 50 to maybe even double if you have a great launch and then it |
[2921.24 --> 2927.24] settles in and you move the bulk of your product over the life cycle of the product so it's not like this |
[2927.24 --> 2933.94] was like a sneaky trick to you know sell a bunch of cpus before people realize they're garbage most |
[2933.94 --> 2937.52] people don't suddenly upgrade when something new comes out most people upgrade when they want a new |
[2937.52 --> 2942.48] computer another thing too is that all the industry scuttlebutt that i've seen that has any kind of |
[2942.48 --> 2949.06] credibility to it is that intel is going to be supply constrained on these chips anyway so if their intent |
[2949.06 --> 2955.96] was to like drum up a bunch of sales and make everything else look bad um then they're really |
[2955.96 --> 2960.00] shooting themselves in the foot with this 9900k launch because if they can't ship enough of the |
[2960.00 --> 2963.76] bloody things then what good are they doing themselves if they have everybody waiting around |
[2963.76 --> 2970.78] for 9900ks so that's another factor that makes me sort of wonder if um if we should attribute to |
[2970.78 --> 2976.98] malice what we could have attributed to incompetence and as much as intel um might have just been dumb |
[2976.98 --> 2981.18] here and hired the wrong consultancy firm might i recommend shroud research or whatever he calls himself |
[2981.18 --> 2985.08] these days next time that might be better um they had although that would have its own |
[2985.08 --> 2990.40] controversy but anyways they had to know that this was going to come back and reflect on them poorly |
[2990.40 --> 2997.68] if they chose the wrong third party house to do this testing um and so some of the backlash is |
[2997.68 --> 3002.04] definitely deserved because there also should have been oversight from intel where they should have |
[3002.04 --> 3009.38] gone well hold on a second that's not really right now with all of that said |
[3009.38 --> 3017.92] i don't understand why there was such a big blow up about this because what all of you and all of the |
[3017.92 --> 3023.82] rest of the tech press should have done is they should have completely ignored these numbers we should have |
[3023.82 --> 3031.76] looked at these numbers as exactly the same kinds of numbers that amd showed off at their hawaii launch event |
[3031.76 --> 3038.80] for the 290 series uh we should have ignored them the way that we ignored amd's numbers when they |
[3038.80 --> 3044.66] originally launched ryzen and i remember asking someone actually at an amd event why did you put |
[3044.66 --> 3049.28] twice as much memory in the intel system here as in your own system and they were like oh well we |
[3049.28 --> 3053.24] thought it was the fairest way ryzen had all kinds of issues with the memory controller they couldn't run |
[3053.24 --> 3059.88] it any other way um it's not any different from those graphs that nvidia shows at their launch events |
[3059.88 --> 3067.80] where they just have like like 18 games and then they show like a bar and they're like yeah it's like that much |
[3067.80 --> 3072.66] better when some of them might have been equal and some of them might have been weird anomalies where they |
[3072.66 --> 3081.34] perform like twice as fast it's not any different from anything that intel has ever shown why why are we |
[3081.34 --> 3089.86] treating anything other than post-launch benchmarks from independent parties as anything other than marketing fluff |
[3089.86 --> 3097.38] this i just don't see the difference and maybe i'm missing something here someone in twitch chat is |
[3097.38 --> 3104.58] pretty sure you are but hasn't pointed out a single necessarily reason why um yeah i agree on a lot of |
[3104.58 --> 3112.60] your points i think there are a few more issues with the testing um probably and and a little bit of the |
[3112.60 --> 3118.12] mentality behind it after watching the interview and watching some other things and i agree with some |
[3118.12 --> 3121.34] points and don't disagree and disagree with other points that were brought up in the interview and |
[3121.34 --> 3129.38] blah blah blah blah yeah um but yeah i don't we do this every single this seems like a just a little |
[3129.38 --> 3134.04] bit more than we do every single other time but we always do the same thing every single time right |
[3134.04 --> 3139.84] where every single reviewer are like wow those numbers are ridiculous why doesn't everyone wait until |
[3139.84 --> 3145.24] independent reviewers get their own numbers out then cross-reference across all reviewers yeah because |
[3145.24 --> 3151.02] you shouldn't also just look at one reviewer's because anyone can make a mistake even trout research can |
[3151.02 --> 3158.40] make a mistake um we've made plenty of mistakes like everyone makes mistakes that's why i mean when |
[3158.40 --> 3163.92] back before i got an opportunity to test the hardware personally or you know have someone on my staff who |
[3163.92 --> 3170.32] i'm directly you know sitting next to testing the hardware you know i would always read at least |
[3170.32 --> 3175.30] three to four reviews of anything that was back when you read reviews instead of watching yeah yeah |
[3175.30 --> 3181.88] dating myself a little bit here i guess and then if there was an anomaly you could go okay why then |
[3181.88 --> 3187.86] you start to dig in if everyone agrees it's usually fine unless something very scandalous happens later |
[3187.86 --> 3193.48] like that whole thing with the gtx 970 and the half a gig of ram that was slower than the rest or |
[3193.48 --> 3198.50] whatever the case may be so so far i've got out of the person that the testing methodology was flawed |
[3198.50 --> 3202.76] yeah that's exactly what we're talking about like there was certain issues like they didn't list |
[3202.76 --> 3208.32] uh the settings that they used for gta 5 and as yeah you and i know that's a real chore that would |
[3208.32 --> 3213.02] be that would be two pages of the document yeah because you can't just set gta 5 it is it is a real |
[3213.02 --> 3219.40] chore but it was also revealed in the interview especially that they might not be super educated |
[3219.40 --> 3226.20] on different ways that reviewers at least these days like modern reviewers are doing these different |
[3226.20 --> 3231.26] testing methodologies because there are a lot of weird things and i did say poor choice of there was |
[3231.26 --> 3237.40] third party yes that was already covered and i did say there's some blame lies with intel no matter what |
[3237.40 --> 3243.34] the argument linus is making and and by extension me because i agree with this is that it just doesn't |
[3243.34 --> 3247.78] matter and everyone should ignore it not that there wasn't problems with it yeah i think i think some |
[3247.78 --> 3252.84] people in twitch chat are are just pitchforking because they want to be mad about this whole |
[3252.84 --> 3257.58] situation which is great you should completely ignore those numbers because they're they're dumb |
[3257.58 --> 3262.12] and you should ignore them and you should be mad when manufacturers mislead you yes we're just saying |
[3262.12 --> 3268.04] that this isn't new no it's not unique to intel and yes it's trendy to hate on intel and we get it |
[3268.04 --> 3276.82] but they're this particular instance doesn't look especially different to me than what we've seen from |
[3276.82 --> 3282.92] until in the past amd nvidia you pretty much name it i mean do you remember do you remember the sales |
[3282.92 --> 3288.48] pitch microsoft gave for game mode we were actually talking about it in our in our writers meeting this |
[3288.48 --> 3292.98] monday we should revisit game mode because back when we did our video and it basically did nothing |
[3292.98 --> 3297.36] um a lot of the community feedback was like well they're gonna fix it over time and there's |
[3297.36 --> 3301.68] that's a good idea and we're like let's find out if they fixed that over time because i pretty |
[3301.68 --> 3305.68] much guarantee they didn't yeah no that would actually be awesome yeah i would love that video |
[3305.68 --> 3311.02] personally so so we should always take manufacturer claims with a grain of salt that's the lesson |
[3311.02 --> 3315.64] and we didn't learn it because people are still pre-ordering these things anyway and there's just |
[3315.64 --> 3320.80] nothing we can do about it so that's it end of wan show one more thing one more quick quick quick |
[3320.80 --> 3326.52] thing fine uh we talked about the giant like 50 million or whatever i don't remember the number |
[3326.52 --> 3332.14] account facebook breach not that long ago on wan show if you want to check how it impacted you |
[3332.14 --> 3338.66] log into facebook then go to facebook.com slash help slash security notice scroll down to the |
[3338.66 --> 3343.16] bottom thank you uh will from the flow plane team for sharing this with me scroll down to the bottom |
[3343.16 --> 3348.34] and then there should be a box which will give you some details about how secure your account is pay |
[3348.34 --> 3353.96] attention to the wording it will not say you were breached you were not breached it will sound a little |
[3353.96 --> 3359.68] bit more or a little bit less sure depending on how how problematic your account is so yeah check that |
[3359.68 --> 3363.72] out that's all i have to say um officially licensed wireless gamecube controllers are coming to switch |
[3363.72 --> 3369.78] that's pretty sick that is i just want to throw that out there and um also google plus hack and end |
[3369.78 --> 3375.10] of life lol google plus the gift that keeps on giving it's like ncix okay bye everyone bye |
[3375.10 --> 3382.72] oh yeah we can mention the discord logo contest we're doing a halloween themed uh ltt logo design |
[3382.72 --> 3389.40] contest on discord discord.tv i hope you guys can hear me uh the music for the intro is playing |
[3389.40 --> 3394.18] right now so anyway i gotta go i gotta go record that one last video today bye |
[3394.18 --> 3394.54] oh |
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