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[979.88 --> 985.64] explicitly come out and said this is why we straight up will not work with nvidia but i think
[985.64 --> 993.28] in apple's mind um nvidia still owes them like a billion dollars or something whoa um because do you
[993.28 --> 999.22] remember that whole scandal back in and it must have been like 2012 2011 something like that way back
[999.22 --> 1005.38] when nvidia's again don't quote me on the exact year the exact model but i believe it was 940 mx
[1005.38 --> 1014.52] graphics cards or 640 whatever it was like an apple only so i don't know if it was an apple only skew
[1014.52 --> 1022.28] but basically what happened was nvidia was doing on motherboard gpus for apple that because of um
[1022.28 --> 1027.08] this problem with the type of solder and the way that it was soldered and the way that that machine
[1027.08 --> 1033.96] heated up and cooled down they were basically um the solder joints were were basically all failing
[1033.96 --> 1041.04] like actually all of them and apple at some point ended up having to issue a recall and they did not
[1041.04 --> 1051.04] 860m people are saying maybe it was the 860m yeah so um apple and nvidia to my knowledge did not reach
[1051.04 --> 1059.20] an amicable agreement about how they were going to cover the costs of that recall since then
[1059.20 --> 1067.42] to my knowledge we haven't seen an nvidia based machine out of apple at all and so there's there's
[1067.42 --> 1072.04] people talking about how maybe nvidia wants too much margin or maybe this or maybe that or maybe
[1072.04 --> 1076.14] nvidia won't give them the supply or whatever the case may be i don't think it's any of that stuff i
[1076.14 --> 1084.56] think this is just actually tech giant grudge match 2018 um and i don't see how they would ever
[1084.56 --> 1093.00] resolve this because frankly both of them are fairly um maybe arrogant isn't quite the right
[1093.00 --> 1098.76] word but i know what you mean they're both pretty my way or the highway yeah and pretty inflexible
[1098.76 --> 1104.38] um you know i don't know i don't actually know they're both big giants that expect everyone to
[1104.38 --> 1110.66] bend over for them yeah and like now they're angry at each other so and they're both just kind of
[1110.66 --> 1115.54] staring at each other nothing's happening yeah so i think i think apple would actually
[1115.54 --> 1123.52] build their own gpu before they would put nvidia products in their products and it's it's not even
[1123.52 --> 1131.98] that crazy yeah like apple has the money to shut out anyone and nvidia is basically printing money
[1131.98 --> 1138.58] right now to the point where they gotta kind of sit there and go yeah we don't need you we don't need
[1138.58 --> 1145.66] xbox we don't need playstation whatever we'll just we'll keep selling we'll keep selling teslas to
[1145.66 --> 1153.16] data centers all day have fun yeah yeah and so as long as uh as long as neither of them has any reason
[1153.16 --> 1159.14] to check their ego i don't think this is ever going to get resolved and you even see like the way that
[1159.14 --> 1165.98] they continue to behave with nvidia snarkily providing drivers for mac os your move
[1165.98 --> 1173.00] i bet you that pisses off linux quite a bit oh well i never thought about that
[1173.00 --> 1179.96] rough uh okay well
[1179.96 --> 1187.64] nothing that you or i can do about any of that no all right why don't we jump into our next topic here
[1187.64 --> 1194.14] this was originally posted by diehard live diehard life i can never read that i got you it's to leet
[1194.14 --> 1200.54] speak no never uh the original article here is from a non-tech and or diehard live maybe i don't
[1200.54 --> 1207.10] know live live no wait no i think you got it wrong i think it's diehard to live yes diehard to live
[1207.10 --> 1214.80] yep okay we got this we got this we can read your name uh wow so contrary to what we thought
[1214.80 --> 1222.30] earlier from actually also reading an article on a non-tech it looks like the s9
[1222.30 --> 1236.60] with the snapdragon 845 actually crushes the exynos 9810 equipped phones in web browsing video editing
[1236.60 --> 1241.14] uh photo editing writing
[1241.14 --> 1242.10] i don't know
[1242.10 --> 1251.44] wrong manipulation oh no phone benchmarks really are very confusing like you actually just have to do it
[1251.44 --> 1258.38] by device because like look at this kind of stuff the uh the reference design for the 845 crushes
[1258.38 --> 1266.54] everything in the writing 2.0 test yeah but then the s9 plus gets beat by a snapdragon 835 s8
[1266.54 --> 1276.84] and yeah um okay but then a pixel 2xl is like way below both of them the exynos wins in data
[1276.84 --> 1284.56] manipulation so randomly and loses in everything else i think yeah i don't even i don't even know what to
[1284.56 --> 1290.12] tell you guys but uh basically they've determined that the exynos 9810 variant of the s9 is significantly
[1290.12 --> 1296.38] slower than the snapdragon 845 uh the snapdragon one is available in canada u.s china japan and latin
[1296.38 --> 1302.68] america and everyone else including europe gets the exynos 9810 so they've identified the root cause as
[1302.68 --> 1310.08] a very conservative scheduler and dvfs mechanisms so you know i was actually kind of uh i was kind of
[1310.08 --> 1316.72] bummed out that i ended up with a snapdragon version and the intro is playing somewhere oh
[1316.72 --> 1323.36] really yeah oh i started playing it for like a second by accident oh yeah yeah for just like a
[1323.36 --> 1328.70] second and then i i skipped away from it okay it's my bad okay um i was kind of bummed because initially
[1328.70 --> 1334.88] it looked like exynos was going to perform better but then now the snapdragon performs better and um
[1334.88 --> 1340.64] actually oh do you i have snapdragon oh yeah but i had exynos last generation i think last
[1340.64 --> 1345.38] generation that was better or something you know what i'm at the point now where phones haven't been
[1345.38 --> 1349.28] slow enough that it's mattered for like probably about three years
[1349.28 --> 1359.96] so yeah with that said my iphone 6 is really freaking slow now like really slow i'm kind of
[1359.96 --> 1364.40] tempted to go in and see if they'll change my battery okay no the iphone 6 isn't that old
[1364.40 --> 1373.74] iphone 6 release date here we go two years 2014 oh wow bro oh well three and a half years ago bro
[1373.74 --> 1380.92] yeah okay the 6s really was a lot faster too but yeah and like once you hit three years for a phone
[1380.92 --> 1387.86] i find two years you start to really feel it it's really slow though yeah like super bad at a year
[1387.86 --> 1392.22] and a half i usually start at a year to a year and a half i start really noticing battery problems
[1392.22 --> 1399.86] right and then at two years i'm like there's battery problems it's also kind of slow things are getting
[1399.86 --> 1405.08] at three years it's like okay i want a new phone bugs are not getting fixed yeah yeah yeah yeah
[1405.08 --> 1415.50] all right apple releases ios 11.3 yes article here is from apple.com naturally because nobody else would
[1415.50 --> 1421.90] consider this newsworthy no i we i wanted this i the only thing i have to say about most of this
[1421.90 --> 1430.68] is that it's pretty boring yes um we're getting new ar experience okay we got a straw pull this we got
[1430.68 --> 1437.70] a straw pull the hell out of this and it doesn't count if you were just like tooling around with it for
[1437.70 --> 1446.08] 10 minutes okay i want to know who here has persistently used no you don't have to use it like
[1446.08 --> 1454.32] all the time yeah okay have you know you know what like options for both okay okay have you actually
[1454.32 --> 1460.50] used ar but okay the reason why i keep on saying this is i'm sure a ton of people because we have a
[1460.50 --> 1465.40] very interested tech interested audience yeah have opened the app that's not what we're talking yeah
[1465.40 --> 1470.60] that's not what we're talking about we mean like some form of extended use not persistence i'm not
[1470.60 --> 1476.08] saying every day but like you you actually really like kind of got into it how about this okay so the
[1476.08 --> 1482.94] poll is have you actually used ar okay cool we got no we've got tried it once it's lame slash not ready
[1482.94 --> 1489.52] yet sure used it for something practical like and it has to have actually worked like not a ruler
[1489.52 --> 1494.92] application yeah where you measured a room and it wasn't right like if it was if it was right
[1494.92 --> 1500.10] and that that was actually useful for you that counts and then we've got use it consistently
[1500.10 --> 1509.00] because i want to know is anybody actually using ar i have laughed at one video of ar are we counting
[1509.00 --> 1519.32] pokemon go no no we are counting things that are being advertised as ar because pokemon go was more like
[1519.32 --> 1527.28] pointing your camera stuff and then pokemon kind of get inserted into the scene it is technically
[1527.28 --> 1533.36] augmented reality but it there's nothing spatial about it and it's very old school style it's it's
[1533.36 --> 1541.96] not an augmented reality device that uses any kind of newer technology to actually embed the graphics
[1541.96 --> 1549.10] into the real world it's just mostly putting them over top of your camera okay what about snapchat
[1549.10 --> 1552.14] snapchat no that's not it fixes onto your face
[1552.14 --> 1561.34] it does use tracking it's slightly newer than go in terms of the tech i know what you're talking
[1561.34 --> 1568.28] about i know this still isn't it yeah that's really not it okay how do we define this that's that's the
[1568.28 --> 1579.58] thing it's hard okay no guys i know it is ar i know it's technically ar but i think he's talking
[1579.58 --> 1585.46] an application that is specifically ar focused snapchat is more about sharing pictures that has an ar
[1585.46 --> 1592.56] element you know what that's a great way to define it so i'm talking about ikea's furniture arranger
[1592.56 --> 1598.50] okay and i don't just mean you used it and you put in the furniture and you like thought oh this app
[1598.50 --> 1603.30] is pretty cool i mean you actually used it like you went and bought something based on the experience
[1603.30 --> 1610.94] you had with it yeah um or like a game that overlays itself onto a tabletop i'm talking an ar where ar
[1610.94 --> 1617.46] is central to the experience we and we know pokemon go uses ar kit it's just very basic we want something
[1617.46 --> 1623.38] a little bit more hardcore okay so no pokemon go and something that is absolutely ar focused okay
[1623.38 --> 1625.92] someone in the chat ban all ars
[1625.92 --> 1633.66] let's get let's not get that confused that's like hurry up so i can click no
[1633.66 --> 1641.44] look we're on it okay all right while you guys reply to that why don't we do our sponsors for the day
[1641.44 --> 1649.54] sponsor number one i am eating oh so much maple buffalo bacon they sent so many packs of this
[1649.54 --> 1654.48] with the latest don't touch my maple buffalo bacon you can have anything else you want
[1654.48 --> 1660.52] yoink uh oh you're going for the mojo yeah okay all right we did it we did a couple weeks of like
[1660.52 --> 1666.12] super spice i think i think we both earned a i think a little bit of a relaxing departure from

[979.88 --> 985.64] explicitly come out and said this is why we straight up will not work with nvidia but i think

[985.64 --> 993.28] in apple's mind um nvidia still owes them like a billion dollars or something whoa um because do you

[993.28 --> 999.22] remember that whole scandal back in and it must have been like 2012 2011 something like that way back

[999.22 --> 1005.38] when nvidia's again don't quote me on the exact year the exact model but i believe it was 940 mx

[1005.38 --> 1014.52] graphics cards or 640 whatever it was like an apple only so i don't know if it was an apple only skew

[1014.52 --> 1022.28] but basically what happened was nvidia was doing on motherboard gpus for apple that because of um

[1022.28 --> 1027.08] this problem with the type of solder and the way that it was soldered and the way that that machine

[1027.08 --> 1033.96] heated up and cooled down they were basically um the solder joints were were basically all failing

[1033.96 --> 1041.04] like actually all of them and apple at some point ended up having to issue a recall and they did not

[1041.04 --> 1051.04] 860m people are saying maybe it was the 860m yeah so um apple and nvidia to my knowledge did not reach

[1051.04 --> 1059.20] an amicable agreement about how they were going to cover the costs of that recall since then

[1059.20 --> 1067.42] to my knowledge we haven't seen an nvidia based machine out of apple at all and so there's there's

[1067.42 --> 1072.04] people talking about how maybe nvidia wants too much margin or maybe this or maybe that or maybe

[1072.04 --> 1076.14] nvidia won't give them the supply or whatever the case may be i don't think it's any of that stuff i

[1076.14 --> 1084.56] think this is just actually tech giant grudge match 2018 um and i don't see how they would ever

[1084.56 --> 1093.00] resolve this because frankly both of them are fairly um maybe arrogant isn't quite the right

[1093.00 --> 1098.76] word but i know what you mean they're both pretty my way or the highway yeah and pretty inflexible

[1098.76 --> 1104.38] um you know i don't know i don't actually know they're both big giants that expect everyone to

[1104.38 --> 1110.66] bend over for them yeah and like now they're angry at each other so and they're both just kind of

[1110.66 --> 1115.54] staring at each other nothing's happening yeah so i think i think apple would actually

[1115.54 --> 1123.52] build their own gpu before they would put nvidia products in their products and it's it's not even

[1123.52 --> 1131.98] that crazy yeah like apple has the money to shut out anyone and nvidia is basically printing money

[1131.98 --> 1138.58] right now to the point where they gotta kind of sit there and go yeah we don't need you we don't need

[1138.58 --> 1145.66] xbox we don't need playstation whatever we'll just we'll keep selling we'll keep selling teslas to

[1145.66 --> 1153.16] data centers all day have fun yeah yeah and so as long as uh as long as neither of them has any reason

[1153.16 --> 1159.14] to check their ego i don't think this is ever going to get resolved and you even see like the way that

[1159.14 --> 1165.98] they continue to behave with nvidia snarkily providing drivers for mac os your move

[1165.98 --> 1173.00] i bet you that pisses off linux quite a bit oh well i never thought about that

[1173.00 --> 1179.96] rough uh okay well

[1179.96 --> 1187.64] nothing that you or i can do about any of that no all right why don't we jump into our next topic here

[1187.64 --> 1194.14] this was originally posted by diehard live diehard life i can never read that i got you it's to leet

[1194.14 --> 1200.54] speak no never uh the original article here is from a non-tech and or diehard live maybe i don't

[1200.54 --> 1207.10] know live live no wait no i think you got it wrong i think it's diehard to live yes diehard to live

[1207.10 --> 1214.80] yep okay we got this we got this we can read your name uh wow so contrary to what we thought

[1214.80 --> 1222.30] earlier from actually also reading an article on a non-tech it looks like the s9

[1222.30 --> 1236.60] with the snapdragon 845 actually crushes the exynos 9810 equipped phones in web browsing video editing

[1236.60 --> 1241.14] uh photo editing writing

[1241.14 --> 1242.10] i don't know

[1242.10 --> 1251.44] wrong manipulation oh no phone benchmarks really are very confusing like you actually just have to do it

[1251.44 --> 1258.38] by device because like look at this kind of stuff the uh the reference design for the 845 crushes

[1258.38 --> 1266.54] everything in the writing 2.0 test yeah but then the s9 plus gets beat by a snapdragon 835 s8

[1266.54 --> 1276.84] and yeah um okay but then a pixel 2xl is like way below both of them the exynos wins in data

[1276.84 --> 1284.56] manipulation so randomly and loses in everything else i think yeah i don't even i don't even know what to

[1284.56 --> 1290.12] tell you guys but uh basically they've determined that the exynos 9810 variant of the s9 is significantly

[1290.12 --> 1296.38] slower than the snapdragon 845 uh the snapdragon one is available in canada u.s china japan and latin

[1296.38 --> 1302.68] america and everyone else including europe gets the exynos 9810 so they've identified the root cause as

[1302.68 --> 1310.08] a very conservative scheduler and dvfs mechanisms so you know i was actually kind of uh i was kind of

[1310.08 --> 1316.72] bummed out that i ended up with a snapdragon version and the intro is playing somewhere oh

[1316.72 --> 1323.36] really yeah oh i started playing it for like a second by accident oh yeah yeah for just like a

[1323.36 --> 1328.70] second and then i i skipped away from it okay it's my bad okay um i was kind of bummed because initially

[1328.70 --> 1334.88] it looked like exynos was going to perform better but then now the snapdragon performs better and um

[1334.88 --> 1340.64] actually oh do you i have snapdragon oh yeah but i had exynos last generation i think last

[1340.64 --> 1345.38] generation that was better or something you know what i'm at the point now where phones haven't been

[1345.38 --> 1349.28] slow enough that it's mattered for like probably about three years

[1349.28 --> 1359.96] so yeah with that said my iphone 6 is really freaking slow now like really slow i'm kind of

[1359.96 --> 1364.40] tempted to go in and see if they'll change my battery okay no the iphone 6 isn't that old

[1364.40 --> 1373.74] iphone 6 release date here we go two years 2014 oh wow bro oh well three and a half years ago bro

[1373.74 --> 1380.92] yeah okay the 6s really was a lot faster too but yeah and like once you hit three years for a phone

[1380.92 --> 1387.86] i find two years you start to really feel it it's really slow though yeah like super bad at a year

[1387.86 --> 1392.22] and a half i usually start at a year to a year and a half i start really noticing battery problems

[1392.22 --> 1399.86] right and then at two years i'm like there's battery problems it's also kind of slow things are getting

[1399.86 --> 1405.08] at three years it's like okay i want a new phone bugs are not getting fixed yeah yeah yeah yeah

[1405.08 --> 1415.50] all right apple releases ios 11.3 yes article here is from apple.com naturally because nobody else would

[1415.50 --> 1421.90] consider this newsworthy no i we i wanted this i the only thing i have to say about most of this

[1421.90 --> 1430.68] is that it's pretty boring yes um we're getting new ar experience okay we got a straw pull this we got

[1430.68 --> 1437.70] a straw pull the hell out of this and it doesn't count if you were just like tooling around with it for

[1437.70 --> 1446.08] 10 minutes okay i want to know who here has persistently used no you don't have to use it like

[1446.08 --> 1454.32] all the time yeah okay have you know you know what like options for both okay okay have you actually

[1454.32 --> 1460.50] used ar but okay the reason why i keep on saying this is i'm sure a ton of people because we have a

[1460.50 --> 1465.40] very interested tech interested audience yeah have opened the app that's not what we're talking yeah

[1465.40 --> 1470.60] that's not what we're talking about we mean like some form of extended use not persistence i'm not

[1470.60 --> 1476.08] saying every day but like you you actually really like kind of got into it how about this okay so the

[1476.08 --> 1482.94] poll is have you actually used ar okay cool we got no we've got tried it once it's lame slash not ready

[1482.94 --> 1489.52] yet sure used it for something practical like and it has to have actually worked like not a ruler

[1489.52 --> 1494.92] application yeah where you measured a room and it wasn't right like if it was if it was right

[1494.92 --> 1500.10] and that that was actually useful for you that counts and then we've got use it consistently

[1500.10 --> 1509.00] because i want to know is anybody actually using ar i have laughed at one video of ar are we counting

[1509.00 --> 1519.32] pokemon go no no we are counting things that are being advertised as ar because pokemon go was more like

[1519.32 --> 1527.28] pointing your camera stuff and then pokemon kind of get inserted into the scene it is technically

[1527.28 --> 1533.36] augmented reality but it there's nothing spatial about it and it's very old school style it's it's

[1533.36 --> 1541.96] not an augmented reality device that uses any kind of newer technology to actually embed the graphics

[1541.96 --> 1549.10] into the real world it's just mostly putting them over top of your camera okay what about snapchat

[1549.10 --> 1552.14] snapchat no that's not it fixes onto your face

[1552.14 --> 1561.34] it does use tracking it's slightly newer than go in terms of the tech i know what you're talking

[1561.34 --> 1568.28] about i know this still isn't it yeah that's really not it okay how do we define this that's that's the

[1568.28 --> 1579.58] thing it's hard okay no guys i know it is ar i know it's technically ar but i think he's talking

[1579.58 --> 1585.46] an application that is specifically ar focused snapchat is more about sharing pictures that has an ar

[1585.46 --> 1592.56] element you know what that's a great way to define it so i'm talking about ikea's furniture arranger

[1592.56 --> 1598.50] okay and i don't just mean you used it and you put in the furniture and you like thought oh this app

[1598.50 --> 1603.30] is pretty cool i mean you actually used it like you went and bought something based on the experience

[1603.30 --> 1610.94] you had with it yeah um or like a game that overlays itself onto a tabletop i'm talking an ar where ar

[1610.94 --> 1617.46] is central to the experience we and we know pokemon go uses ar kit it's just very basic we want something

[1617.46 --> 1623.38] a little bit more hardcore okay so no pokemon go and something that is absolutely ar focused okay

[1623.38 --> 1625.92] someone in the chat ban all ars

[1625.92 --> 1633.66] let's get let's not get that confused that's like hurry up so i can click no

[1633.66 --> 1641.44] look we're on it okay all right while you guys reply to that why don't we do our sponsors for the day

[1641.44 --> 1649.54] sponsor number one i am eating oh so much maple buffalo bacon they sent so many packs of this

[1649.54 --> 1654.48] with the latest don't touch my maple buffalo bacon you can have anything else you want

[1654.48 --> 1660.52] yoink uh oh you're going for the mojo yeah okay all right we did it we did a couple weeks of like

[1660.52 --> 1666.12] super spice i think i think we both earned a i think a little bit of a relaxing departure from