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[1128.52 --> 1128.96] Really?
[1128.96 --> 1133.98] I looked at it last week because we're planning, like, a blast from the past machine.
[1134.76 --> 1136.64] And we want to overclock the snot out of it.
[1136.70 --> 1146.42] And if you want to overclock the snot out of a P4C, a Pentium 4C, then you really do need a P4C 800-E Deluxe.
[1146.84 --> 1151.86] And so we are probably going to pay $100 for a 10-year-old motherboard in the near future.
[1151.86 --> 1153.36] That's a crime.
[1155.50 --> 1155.94] $100.
[1155.94 --> 1161.74] All I remember is that the Pentium 3s were good, and then the Athlons came out.
[1162.32 --> 1170.86] And I skipped most of the Pentium 4s because, frankly, yes, you could get a Pentium 4 that was faster, but it cost so much more money than an Athlon.
[1171.86 --> 1172.62] That's true.
[1173.08 --> 1174.54] The board was more expensive.
[1174.86 --> 1176.22] The chip was more expensive.
[1176.22 --> 1181.24] To get the most out of it, you needed dual-channel memory, which back then was, like...
[1181.24 --> 1182.60] And you remember that Rambus RAM?
[1183.08 --> 1184.32] Crazy expensive.
[1185.04 --> 1185.94] Yeah, Rambus RAM.
[1185.94 --> 1187.12] I actually...
[1187.12 --> 1196.46] There's a gap in my PC enthusiasm in between the Pentium 1 and the P4 post-Rambus.
[1197.22 --> 1199.64] So I never had to deal with Rambus memory.
[1199.64 --> 1201.70] You've never had Rambus?
[1202.00 --> 1203.52] I have never had Rambus.
[1203.58 --> 1206.12] In fact, I don't think I've ever even talked about it.
[1206.16 --> 1210.64] So feel free to tell our audience for maybe the first time they've ever heard about it because they're...
[1211.22 --> 1215.12] If you listen to our haters, they're all kids.
[1216.04 --> 1217.74] So, yeah, go ahead and educate them.
[1218.22 --> 1224.26] I wouldn't want to put a hat on or anything, but basically Intel wanted a piece of the RAM market.
[1224.40 --> 1225.52] Oh, did I say that out loud?
[1225.52 --> 1232.04] So they wanted to get everybody off of DDR RAM and they wanted to go to Rambus because they had royalties and patents on it.
[1232.10 --> 1237.18] It was supposed to be faster and it was, but it had higher latency and other issues or vice versa.
[1237.52 --> 1245.98] But essentially, they thought that their market clock would force everybody and you could buy an Athlon instead, which used the cheaper DDR RAM and cheaper boards.
[1245.98 --> 1254.84] And yes, Pentium was 10%, 20% faster, but you paid double, triple the money for 10% or 20% speed.
[1254.96 --> 1255.50] It was silly.
[1255.50 --> 1260.94] That would be a tremendous video.
[1262.20 --> 1265.60] Standards that Intel has pushed over the years that died.
[1266.30 --> 1267.36] We've got Rambus.
[1267.58 --> 1268.96] We've got BTX.
[1269.60 --> 1270.66] We've got...
[1270.66 --> 1273.50] What else just like off the top of our heads could we...
[1274.94 --> 1277.44] Oh, do you guys remember Vive?
[1279.56 --> 1280.72] V-I-I-V?
[1281.20 --> 1281.98] No, I don't think so.
[1282.04 --> 1282.68] Oh, man.
[1282.82 --> 1283.58] Oh, it was epic.
[1283.58 --> 1293.54] We had this demo kit at the NCIX headquarters that I don't think literally was ever taken out of its box.
[1293.72 --> 1294.70] I've seen this logo.
[1294.98 --> 1295.42] Yeah, yeah.
[1295.48 --> 1295.92] Here, hold on.
[1296.00 --> 1296.58] I'm going to...
[1297.30 --> 1299.90] Here's an Intel press room technology brief.
[1299.98 --> 1302.28] I'm just going to show you guys on my screen here.
[1302.86 --> 1303.58] Here it is.
[1303.76 --> 1304.42] Yeah, baby.
[1304.58 --> 1305.72] Intel Vive.
[1306.58 --> 1309.18] Maximize your home entertainment experience.
[1309.18 --> 1320.94] This is Intel's brand for in-home entertainment PCs designed to transform how consumers manage, share, and enjoy a broad and growing assortment of movies, programs, music, games, and photos.
[1322.70 --> 1323.52] Oh, man.
[1323.58 --> 1324.06] Look at this.
[1324.14 --> 1327.44] Look how, like, delightfully 2000s all of this looks.
[1328.22 --> 1330.06] I recognize all the logos, but I don't remember it at all.
[1330.14 --> 1331.94] It's probably because it's home theater and I didn't care.
[1331.94 --> 1337.32] Well, the other thing, too, is that it didn't matter at all because anything was Vive.
[1338.08 --> 1342.30] It was just kind of a meaningless label that you could put on an HTPC with a...
[1342.30 --> 1342.94] Oh, no.
[1342.94 --> 1347.22] It was like the multimedia PC standard back in the 90s.
[1347.34 --> 1347.96] VR ready.
[1348.24 --> 1349.14] Yeah, like, look at...
[1349.14 --> 1349.64] Oh.
[1349.64 --> 1353.42] Like, look at these performance benchmarks.
[1353.70 --> 1356.20] They're like, yes, a Vive technology.
[1356.50 --> 1358.12] Oh, by the way, it's a Pentium D processor.
[1359.32 --> 1369.06] And then they compare it to just a P4, not Vive, and they're like, oh, yes, Vive is much more better, but it actually is just, like, better CPUs.
[1369.06 --> 1371.94] Like, here's a Core 2 Duo versus a P4 571.
[1372.46 --> 1375.14] What is the point exactly that you're trying to make?
[1375.14 --> 1381.30] Would you consider Intel's Iitanium to be them trying to control 64-bit?
[1383.06 --> 1383.92] You know what?
[1384.04 --> 1399.60] I don't know enough about the Iitanic to really comment on it, like, in an in-depth technical way because it was server tech at a time when we did not dabble in server tech at all.
[1400.04 --> 1401.40] So what's your take?
[1401.64 --> 1404.00] Because I feel like you wouldn't ask me if you didn't have an opinion.
[1404.00 --> 1411.62] Well, they were trying to move the industry off of their traditional x86, which, of course, AMD had a license to.
[1411.92 --> 1415.20] And the idea was that they would have something that they could have exclusive.
[1416.08 --> 1422.70] And I'll bet an awful lot of people today don't realize that the 64-bit technology we use today isn't Intel's.
[1422.76 --> 1423.52] It's AMD's.
[1425.58 --> 1429.98] Iitanium was Intel's attempt to get everybody off a legacy platform and sort of take control.
[1429.98 --> 1437.08] They've tried multiple times over the years to try to retake control of the CPU business from AMD.
[1438.34 --> 1438.72] Yeah.
[1440.86 --> 1441.60] I know.
[1441.60 --> 1453.86] It will be considering all the stuff that happened 15 years ago with Pentium 4 and Athlon if Ryzen 3 ends up being 7 nanometers before Intel gets there.
[1455.34 --> 1457.86] Are you adding this to, like...
[1457.86 --> 1458.82] No, no, but I will.
[1458.94 --> 1460.00] We, like, definitely have to do that video.
[1460.00 --> 1462.10] I thought you were like, I'm doing this during the show.
[1462.18 --> 1462.48] No, no.
[1462.48 --> 1463.34] And I was like, I don't think you'll forget.
[1463.34 --> 1465.48] That would be so much fun.
[1466.20 --> 1472.40] So on the subject of all of this lighting a fire under Intel's, but I think we've got time for one more topic with you.
[1472.58 --> 1474.84] And I think this is probably the best one.
[1475.36 --> 1478.58] Jim Keller is joining Intel.
[1478.72 --> 1481.10] So this was posted by NumLock21 on the forum.
[1481.26 --> 1483.36] And the original article is WCCF Tech.
[1483.50 --> 1488.86] So whatever you might think about them, you can keep it to yourself because this is, like, a confirmed thing.

[1128.52 --> 1128.96] Really?

[1128.96 --> 1133.98] I looked at it last week because we're planning, like, a blast from the past machine.

[1134.76 --> 1136.64] And we want to overclock the snot out of it.

[1136.70 --> 1146.42] And if you want to overclock the snot out of a P4C, a Pentium 4C, then you really do need a P4C 800-E Deluxe.

[1146.84 --> 1151.86] And so we are probably going to pay $100 for a 10-year-old motherboard in the near future.

[1151.86 --> 1153.36] That's a crime.

[1155.50 --> 1155.94] $100.

[1155.94 --> 1161.74] All I remember is that the Pentium 3s were good, and then the Athlons came out.

[1162.32 --> 1170.86] And I skipped most of the Pentium 4s because, frankly, yes, you could get a Pentium 4 that was faster, but it cost so much more money than an Athlon.

[1171.86 --> 1172.62] That's true.

[1173.08 --> 1174.54] The board was more expensive.

[1174.86 --> 1176.22] The chip was more expensive.

[1176.22 --> 1181.24] To get the most out of it, you needed dual-channel memory, which back then was, like...

[1181.24 --> 1182.60] And you remember that Rambus RAM?

[1183.08 --> 1184.32] Crazy expensive.

[1185.04 --> 1185.94] Yeah, Rambus RAM.

[1185.94 --> 1187.12] I actually...

[1187.12 --> 1196.46] There's a gap in my PC enthusiasm in between the Pentium 1 and the P4 post-Rambus.

[1197.22 --> 1199.64] So I never had to deal with Rambus memory.

[1199.64 --> 1201.70] You've never had Rambus?

[1202.00 --> 1203.52] I have never had Rambus.

[1203.58 --> 1206.12] In fact, I don't think I've ever even talked about it.

[1206.16 --> 1210.64] So feel free to tell our audience for maybe the first time they've ever heard about it because they're...

[1211.22 --> 1215.12] If you listen to our haters, they're all kids.

[1216.04 --> 1217.74] So, yeah, go ahead and educate them.

[1218.22 --> 1224.26] I wouldn't want to put a hat on or anything, but basically Intel wanted a piece of the RAM market.

[1224.40 --> 1225.52] Oh, did I say that out loud?

[1225.52 --> 1232.04] So they wanted to get everybody off of DDR RAM and they wanted to go to Rambus because they had royalties and patents on it.

[1232.10 --> 1237.18] It was supposed to be faster and it was, but it had higher latency and other issues or vice versa.

[1237.52 --> 1245.98] But essentially, they thought that their market clock would force everybody and you could buy an Athlon instead, which used the cheaper DDR RAM and cheaper boards.

[1245.98 --> 1254.84] And yes, Pentium was 10%, 20% faster, but you paid double, triple the money for 10% or 20% speed.

[1254.96 --> 1255.50] It was silly.

[1255.50 --> 1260.94] That would be a tremendous video.

[1262.20 --> 1265.60] Standards that Intel has pushed over the years that died.

[1266.30 --> 1267.36] We've got Rambus.

[1267.58 --> 1268.96] We've got BTX.

[1269.60 --> 1270.66] We've got...

[1270.66 --> 1273.50] What else just like off the top of our heads could we...

[1274.94 --> 1277.44] Oh, do you guys remember Vive?

[1279.56 --> 1280.72] V-I-I-V?

[1281.20 --> 1281.98] No, I don't think so.

[1282.04 --> 1282.68] Oh, man.

[1282.82 --> 1283.58] Oh, it was epic.

[1283.58 --> 1293.54] We had this demo kit at the NCIX headquarters that I don't think literally was ever taken out of its box.

[1293.72 --> 1294.70] I've seen this logo.

[1294.98 --> 1295.42] Yeah, yeah.

[1295.48 --> 1295.92] Here, hold on.

[1296.00 --> 1296.58] I'm going to...

[1297.30 --> 1299.90] Here's an Intel press room technology brief.

[1299.98 --> 1302.28] I'm just going to show you guys on my screen here.

[1302.86 --> 1303.58] Here it is.

[1303.76 --> 1304.42] Yeah, baby.

[1304.58 --> 1305.72] Intel Vive.

[1306.58 --> 1309.18] Maximize your home entertainment experience.

[1309.18 --> 1320.94] This is Intel's brand for in-home entertainment PCs designed to transform how consumers manage, share, and enjoy a broad and growing assortment of movies, programs, music, games, and photos.

[1322.70 --> 1323.52] Oh, man.

[1323.58 --> 1324.06] Look at this.

[1324.14 --> 1327.44] Look how, like, delightfully 2000s all of this looks.

[1328.22 --> 1330.06] I recognize all the logos, but I don't remember it at all.

[1330.14 --> 1331.94] It's probably because it's home theater and I didn't care.

[1331.94 --> 1337.32] Well, the other thing, too, is that it didn't matter at all because anything was Vive.

[1338.08 --> 1342.30] It was just kind of a meaningless label that you could put on an HTPC with a...

[1342.30 --> 1342.94] Oh, no.

[1342.94 --> 1347.22] It was like the multimedia PC standard back in the 90s.

[1347.34 --> 1347.96] VR ready.

[1348.24 --> 1349.14] Yeah, like, look at...

[1349.14 --> 1349.64] Oh.

[1349.64 --> 1353.42] Like, look at these performance benchmarks.

[1353.70 --> 1356.20] They're like, yes, a Vive technology.

[1356.50 --> 1358.12] Oh, by the way, it's a Pentium D processor.

[1359.32 --> 1369.06] And then they compare it to just a P4, not Vive, and they're like, oh, yes, Vive is much more better, but it actually is just, like, better CPUs.

[1369.06 --> 1371.94] Like, here's a Core 2 Duo versus a P4 571.

[1372.46 --> 1375.14] What is the point exactly that you're trying to make?

[1375.14 --> 1381.30] Would you consider Intel's Iitanium to be them trying to control 64-bit?

[1383.06 --> 1383.92] You know what?

[1384.04 --> 1399.60] I don't know enough about the Iitanic to really comment on it, like, in an in-depth technical way because it was server tech at a time when we did not dabble in server tech at all.

[1400.04 --> 1401.40] So what's your take?

[1401.64 --> 1404.00] Because I feel like you wouldn't ask me if you didn't have an opinion.

[1404.00 --> 1411.62] Well, they were trying to move the industry off of their traditional x86, which, of course, AMD had a license to.

[1411.92 --> 1415.20] And the idea was that they would have something that they could have exclusive.

[1416.08 --> 1422.70] And I'll bet an awful lot of people today don't realize that the 64-bit technology we use today isn't Intel's.

[1422.76 --> 1423.52] It's AMD's.

[1425.58 --> 1429.98] Iitanium was Intel's attempt to get everybody off a legacy platform and sort of take control.

[1429.98 --> 1437.08] They've tried multiple times over the years to try to retake control of the CPU business from AMD.

[1438.34 --> 1438.72] Yeah.

[1440.86 --> 1441.60] I know.

[1441.60 --> 1453.86] It will be considering all the stuff that happened 15 years ago with Pentium 4 and Athlon if Ryzen 3 ends up being 7 nanometers before Intel gets there.

[1455.34 --> 1457.86] Are you adding this to, like...

[1457.86 --> 1458.82] No, no, but I will.

[1458.94 --> 1460.00] We, like, definitely have to do that video.

[1460.00 --> 1462.10] I thought you were like, I'm doing this during the show.

[1462.18 --> 1462.48] No, no.

[1462.48 --> 1463.34] And I was like, I don't think you'll forget.

[1463.34 --> 1465.48] That would be so much fun.

[1466.20 --> 1472.40] So on the subject of all of this lighting a fire under Intel's, but I think we've got time for one more topic with you.

[1472.58 --> 1474.84] And I think this is probably the best one.

[1475.36 --> 1478.58] Jim Keller is joining Intel.

[1478.72 --> 1481.10] So this was posted by NumLock21 on the forum.

[1481.26 --> 1483.36] And the original article is WCCF Tech.

[1483.50 --> 1488.86] So whatever you might think about them, you can keep it to yourself because this is, like, a confirmed thing.