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[1488.94 --> 1489.74] So just chill out.
[1489.74 --> 1494.28] But basically, I mean, this is not even...
[1494.28 --> 1494.98] This is not even...
[1494.98 --> 1497.36] This doesn't do justice to the guy's resume.
[1497.70 --> 1502.92] But it says AMD's Zen and Athlon 64 CPU architect.
[1503.44 --> 1509.92] So pretty much the only times that AMD has built anything competitive with Intel in the last 10 years.
[1512.10 --> 1516.80] The architect behind them, Jim Keller, has joined Intel.
[1516.80 --> 1521.34] So this is after stints at Apple, where I believe...
[1521.34 --> 1523.94] Was he working on CPU or GPU at Apple?
[1524.32 --> 1525.98] Do you remember?
[1527.64 --> 1528.02] No.
[1528.18 --> 1529.46] No, I can't remember either.
[1529.60 --> 1532.78] And then he also did some time at Tesla.
[1533.82 --> 1536.24] So he left AMD for Tesla most recently.
[1536.36 --> 1541.90] And then he was at Apple in between AMD and AMD again, I think?
[1542.44 --> 1543.78] Can't remember exactly.
[1543.78 --> 1549.38] But basically, the guy is a legend in the CPU design business.
[1550.02 --> 1561.22] And so now he and Raja Kuduri, who was the head of Radeon Technologies Group under AMD, are now both at Intel.
[1561.36 --> 1567.06] So if there was any doubt that Intel is making a big push here, you can put that to rest.
[1567.60 --> 1568.30] It's going to be interesting.
[1568.30 --> 1576.98] Well, he was essentially played a key role or responsible for the good CPUs that AMD, frankly, has ever designed.
[1577.14 --> 1582.88] Because I don't know if you ever played around with the old K6 and K5 chips way back in the 90s.
[1582.98 --> 1588.02] But they really struggled when they lost the ability to copy Intel's designs.
[1588.16 --> 1591.14] I mean, all the way through the 386 and whatnot, they could copy Intel.
[1591.14 --> 1592.22] But then they had to come up there.
[1592.58 --> 1593.46] K5 was late.
[1593.58 --> 1595.74] K5 was slow, competing with the Pentium.
[1596.06 --> 1597.52] And then K6 was okay.
[1597.94 --> 1599.74] But then the K7 was Athlon.
[1599.94 --> 1607.76] And so basically, he did Athlon, Athlon XP, all the way through until they switched over to Phenom and FX, which he wasn't involved with.
[1607.98 --> 1609.06] And then he did Ryzen.
[1609.18 --> 1611.94] So basically, he's done every good CPU AMD's ever done.
[1611.94 --> 1615.80] I mean, that's one way of putting it.
[1615.88 --> 1615.98] Yep.
[1619.02 --> 1619.92] Oh, man.
[1620.06 --> 1629.16] So he's joining as a senior vice president, leading the company's silicon engineering, which encompasses system-on-chip development and integration.
[1630.30 --> 1631.64] So he did a...
[1631.64 --> 1631.94] Oh, yeah.
[1632.02 --> 1632.16] Okay.
[1632.18 --> 1633.02] This is all in my notes.
[1633.10 --> 1637.30] Did a multi-year stint at Apple between contributions to K8 and coming back to work on Zen.
[1637.30 --> 1641.76] At Apple, he led the design team to build the company's class-leading mobile processors.
[1642.48 --> 1648.22] So in 2015, he left AMD to join Tesla, where he's been leading the company's AI chip design teams to date.
[1648.98 --> 1661.32] So if Tesla produces some kind of chip design that is, like, freaking awesome in the next year to four, he will definitely have had a hand in that.
[1662.92 --> 1664.84] I mean, what does this mean for AMD?
[1665.64 --> 1671.44] Like, they're going to have a couple of good years here, because one of the things that Mr. Keller did...
[1671.44 --> 1672.14] I don't know.
[1672.22 --> 1672.76] Is this a doctor?
[1673.74 --> 1674.22] I don't know.
[1674.34 --> 1676.60] I've never seen it written that way.
[1676.84 --> 1677.08] Yeah, I'm not sure.
[1677.08 --> 1678.78] I mean, it seems like there's a pretty good chance.
[1678.82 --> 1679.10] Anyway...
[1679.10 --> 1679.28] Yeah.
[1679.28 --> 1683.10] One of the things that Jim Keller did at AMD was he set out a roadmap for Zen.
[1683.58 --> 1688.46] Like, this is Zen 1, and then here's, like, future generations of Zen.
[1688.56 --> 1689.82] Like, here's...
[1689.82 --> 1691.40] It's all plotted out for you.
[1691.82 --> 1694.22] But after that, what do they do?
[1694.22 --> 1697.20] Where do you find another rock star like that?
[1698.88 --> 1699.60] I don't know.
[1699.70 --> 1701.48] Find good people and let them do their thing.
[1702.14 --> 1704.26] I mean, it's become very challenging, though.
[1704.36 --> 1707.72] I mean, in the early days, chip design was simple enough.
[1707.92 --> 1709.94] I mean, obviously, it was already very complicated.
[1710.32 --> 1715.88] But it was simple enough that there could be many people qualified to work on it.
[1715.88 --> 1723.96] But as time goes on, for you to find someone with the knowledge to work on current technology
[1723.96 --> 1729.62] and the experience of everything that's come before it, something that does have a value
[1729.62 --> 1735.34] and has a value more and more so as the technology progresses, to find those people is going to
[1735.34 --> 1737.06] become more and more difficult.
[1737.54 --> 1741.92] And when you're AMD, you are competing with Intel to attract those people.
[1742.16 --> 1744.76] And we can see who is winning that battle right now.
[1745.88 --> 1749.22] Yeah, and it's not like he's retiring right away.
[1749.70 --> 1753.04] That's one thing I was going to look into is, like, is the old guard going to be retiring?
[1753.30 --> 1755.06] But he's not quite at that age yet.
[1755.14 --> 1756.84] So, nope, we can keep leaning on these guys.
[1759.70 --> 1760.62] It's going to be interesting.
[1762.66 --> 1763.18] All right.
[1763.24 --> 1764.78] Well, we've got to jump into our sponsors.
[1765.98 --> 1768.46] Jason, thank you so much for coming on the show.
[1768.46 --> 1772.82] We are absolutely thrilled not just to have you on, but also to have you on Floatplane.
[1772.82 --> 1776.16] So I just want to do a quick reminder to everyone.
[1776.90 --> 1781.70] You can find Jason over on YouTube if you just search for TechDeals.
[1784.16 --> 1785.88] YouTube.com slash TechDeals.
[1786.02 --> 1786.20] Yep.
[1786.40 --> 1788.16] And you can also find him over on...
[1788.72 --> 1792.44] Sorry, I was just stalling for time while I got my Floatplane screen up here.
[1792.52 --> 1793.24] Yep, there we go.
[1793.36 --> 1796.30] And you can also find him over on Floatplane.
[1796.56 --> 1796.86] Yeah.
[1796.86 --> 1801.02] Will you be doing mostly early access or exclusive stuff, or what's the deal over there?
[1801.80 --> 1802.54] Early access.
[1802.70 --> 1807.02] The goal is to give everybody a week early access to all the videos, except for, like,
[1807.04 --> 1807.74] key product launches.
[1807.88 --> 1810.72] But everything will go up first on Floatplane and then on YouTube.
[1810.90 --> 1816.22] But there will be some behind-the-scenes, a couple of fun exclusive videos just for Floatplane supporters.
[1816.78 --> 1817.02] Cool.
[1817.44 --> 1817.84] Fantastic.
[1818.06 --> 1818.34] All right.
[1818.40 --> 1819.88] Well, thank you so much for joining us.

[1488.94 --> 1489.74] So just chill out.

[1489.74 --> 1494.28] But basically, I mean, this is not even...

[1494.28 --> 1494.98] This is not even...

[1494.98 --> 1497.36] This doesn't do justice to the guy's resume.

[1497.70 --> 1502.92] But it says AMD's Zen and Athlon 64 CPU architect.

[1503.44 --> 1509.92] So pretty much the only times that AMD has built anything competitive with Intel in the last 10 years.

[1512.10 --> 1516.80] The architect behind them, Jim Keller, has joined Intel.

[1516.80 --> 1521.34] So this is after stints at Apple, where I believe...

[1521.34 --> 1523.94] Was he working on CPU or GPU at Apple?

[1524.32 --> 1525.98] Do you remember?

[1527.64 --> 1528.02] No.

[1528.18 --> 1529.46] No, I can't remember either.

[1529.60 --> 1532.78] And then he also did some time at Tesla.

[1533.82 --> 1536.24] So he left AMD for Tesla most recently.

[1536.36 --> 1541.90] And then he was at Apple in between AMD and AMD again, I think?

[1542.44 --> 1543.78] Can't remember exactly.

[1543.78 --> 1549.38] But basically, the guy is a legend in the CPU design business.

[1550.02 --> 1561.22] And so now he and Raja Kuduri, who was the head of Radeon Technologies Group under AMD, are now both at Intel.

[1561.36 --> 1567.06] So if there was any doubt that Intel is making a big push here, you can put that to rest.

[1567.60 --> 1568.30] It's going to be interesting.

[1568.30 --> 1576.98] Well, he was essentially played a key role or responsible for the good CPUs that AMD, frankly, has ever designed.

[1577.14 --> 1582.88] Because I don't know if you ever played around with the old K6 and K5 chips way back in the 90s.

[1582.98 --> 1588.02] But they really struggled when they lost the ability to copy Intel's designs.

[1588.16 --> 1591.14] I mean, all the way through the 386 and whatnot, they could copy Intel.

[1591.14 --> 1592.22] But then they had to come up there.

[1592.58 --> 1593.46] K5 was late.

[1593.58 --> 1595.74] K5 was slow, competing with the Pentium.

[1596.06 --> 1597.52] And then K6 was okay.

[1597.94 --> 1599.74] But then the K7 was Athlon.

[1599.94 --> 1607.76] And so basically, he did Athlon, Athlon XP, all the way through until they switched over to Phenom and FX, which he wasn't involved with.

[1607.98 --> 1609.06] And then he did Ryzen.

[1609.18 --> 1611.94] So basically, he's done every good CPU AMD's ever done.

[1611.94 --> 1615.80] I mean, that's one way of putting it.

[1615.88 --> 1615.98] Yep.

[1619.02 --> 1619.92] Oh, man.

[1620.06 --> 1629.16] So he's joining as a senior vice president, leading the company's silicon engineering, which encompasses system-on-chip development and integration.

[1630.30 --> 1631.64] So he did a...

[1631.64 --> 1631.94] Oh, yeah.

[1632.02 --> 1632.16] Okay.

[1632.18 --> 1633.02] This is all in my notes.

[1633.10 --> 1637.30] Did a multi-year stint at Apple between contributions to K8 and coming back to work on Zen.

[1637.30 --> 1641.76] At Apple, he led the design team to build the company's class-leading mobile processors.

[1642.48 --> 1648.22] So in 2015, he left AMD to join Tesla, where he's been leading the company's AI chip design teams to date.

[1648.98 --> 1661.32] So if Tesla produces some kind of chip design that is, like, freaking awesome in the next year to four, he will definitely have had a hand in that.

[1662.92 --> 1664.84] I mean, what does this mean for AMD?

[1665.64 --> 1671.44] Like, they're going to have a couple of good years here, because one of the things that Mr. Keller did...

[1671.44 --> 1672.14] I don't know.

[1672.22 --> 1672.76] Is this a doctor?

[1673.74 --> 1674.22] I don't know.

[1674.34 --> 1676.60] I've never seen it written that way.

[1676.84 --> 1677.08] Yeah, I'm not sure.

[1677.08 --> 1678.78] I mean, it seems like there's a pretty good chance.

[1678.82 --> 1679.10] Anyway...

[1679.10 --> 1679.28] Yeah.

[1679.28 --> 1683.10] One of the things that Jim Keller did at AMD was he set out a roadmap for Zen.

[1683.58 --> 1688.46] Like, this is Zen 1, and then here's, like, future generations of Zen.

[1688.56 --> 1689.82] Like, here's...

[1689.82 --> 1691.40] It's all plotted out for you.

[1691.82 --> 1694.22] But after that, what do they do?

[1694.22 --> 1697.20] Where do you find another rock star like that?

[1698.88 --> 1699.60] I don't know.

[1699.70 --> 1701.48] Find good people and let them do their thing.

[1702.14 --> 1704.26] I mean, it's become very challenging, though.

[1704.36 --> 1707.72] I mean, in the early days, chip design was simple enough.

[1707.92 --> 1709.94] I mean, obviously, it was already very complicated.

[1710.32 --> 1715.88] But it was simple enough that there could be many people qualified to work on it.

[1715.88 --> 1723.96] But as time goes on, for you to find someone with the knowledge to work on current technology

[1723.96 --> 1729.62] and the experience of everything that's come before it, something that does have a value

[1729.62 --> 1735.34] and has a value more and more so as the technology progresses, to find those people is going to

[1735.34 --> 1737.06] become more and more difficult.

[1737.54 --> 1741.92] And when you're AMD, you are competing with Intel to attract those people.

[1742.16 --> 1744.76] And we can see who is winning that battle right now.

[1745.88 --> 1749.22] Yeah, and it's not like he's retiring right away.

[1749.70 --> 1753.04] That's one thing I was going to look into is, like, is the old guard going to be retiring?

[1753.30 --> 1755.06] But he's not quite at that age yet.

[1755.14 --> 1756.84] So, nope, we can keep leaning on these guys.

[1759.70 --> 1760.62] It's going to be interesting.

[1762.66 --> 1763.18] All right.

[1763.24 --> 1764.78] Well, we've got to jump into our sponsors.

[1765.98 --> 1768.46] Jason, thank you so much for coming on the show.

[1768.46 --> 1772.82] We are absolutely thrilled not just to have you on, but also to have you on Floatplane.

[1772.82 --> 1776.16] So I just want to do a quick reminder to everyone.

[1776.90 --> 1781.70] You can find Jason over on YouTube if you just search for TechDeals.

[1784.16 --> 1785.88] YouTube.com slash TechDeals.

[1786.02 --> 1786.20] Yep.

[1786.40 --> 1788.16] And you can also find him over on...

[1788.72 --> 1792.44] Sorry, I was just stalling for time while I got my Floatplane screen up here.

[1792.52 --> 1793.24] Yep, there we go.

[1793.36 --> 1796.30] And you can also find him over on Floatplane.

[1796.56 --> 1796.86] Yeah.

[1796.86 --> 1801.02] Will you be doing mostly early access or exclusive stuff, or what's the deal over there?

[1801.80 --> 1802.54] Early access.

[1802.70 --> 1807.02] The goal is to give everybody a week early access to all the videos, except for, like,

[1807.04 --> 1807.74] key product launches.

[1807.88 --> 1810.72] But everything will go up first on Floatplane and then on YouTube.

[1810.90 --> 1816.22] But there will be some behind-the-scenes, a couple of fun exclusive videos just for Floatplane supporters.

[1816.78 --> 1817.02] Cool.

[1817.44 --> 1817.84] Fantastic.

[1818.06 --> 1818.34] All right.

[1818.40 --> 1819.88] Well, thank you so much for joining us.