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[643.90 --> 647.42] i'm terrible at them i'm pretty good at mario kart but none of those real things wanted to play it
[647.42 --> 651.84] anyways was like you know what i'll give up i'll finally install windows 10 i'm sure they've gotten
[651.84 --> 658.56] a lot better uh over the last like quite a while as i've been using old operating systems um and then
[658.56 --> 663.94] this week the week i was planning on announcing that i i read the news article that the new update
[663.94 --> 670.36] is maybe going to just delete people's files brilliant so we'll get into that later and then
[670.36 --> 678.76] the actual big news like with far larger implications is that china apparently infiltrated apple and amazon
[678.76 --> 687.84] and multiple other companies with a hardware security compromise uh so we'll get into that quite a bit
[687.84 --> 695.26] more later allegedly allegedly allegedly let's go ahead and run the intro allegedly well we're
[695.26 --> 700.64] actually running the intro yeah allegedly i'm just being very careful on this episode
[700.64 --> 703.44] very careful
[703.44 --> 722.66] like just let our video go up and like let the momentum start to go down a little bit we had
[722.66 --> 730.00] to just get right in there and crap all over it which i mean we've i don't think we're gonna take
[730.00 --> 736.24] another run at it like realistically it's a lot it's actually a lot of work and so you know mad
[736.24 --> 743.40] respect to the people who you know get top scores and stuff um but i think i think i think we're done
[743.40 --> 748.94] i mean really what we wanted to do was come out of nowhere having not acknowledged what was going
[748.94 --> 756.16] on at all and just be like womp okay bye but then we didn't have an envi link bridge so we couldn't do
[756.16 --> 762.42] sli which is what everyone else was kind of focused on but that's probably fine anyway because we don't
[762.42 --> 769.32] have the same godlike cpu that jay has and we only even tried one gpu yeah we were just like okay hopefully
[769.32 --> 779.26] this one's pretty deece here we go um yeah so we got we got lucky we got lucky all right speaking of
[779.26 --> 785.40] getting lucky why don't we just open with this so it was posted by spartaman64 on the forum the original
[785.40 --> 798.56] article here is from bloomberg and there is a fair bit of kind of um uncorroborated information in this
[798.56 --> 804.52] article what's up that people are yelling that there's a bloomberg thing that there's a bloomberg
[804.52 --> 811.56] thing or sorry that there's a super chat oh there's a super chat oh fake news on the bloomberg article
[811.56 --> 818.06] yeah we are gonna talk about that yeah oh boy i think that's the one they're actually talking about
[818.06 --> 825.56] okay so um we know we know there's there's some weird stuff in the bloomberg article we'll talk about
[825.56 --> 834.16] that later we'll talk about we'll talk about that um gamers nexus just sent us a super chat
[834.16 --> 841.84] when and you know the funny thing about this is like we were just trying to be nice you know
[841.84 --> 849.28] by by beating all we were just trying to no no we bring more attention to no we no we we sent them a
[849.28 --> 855.82] super chat oh during their live stream yeah yeah so we were just trying to be nice i mean the fact
[855.82 --> 865.02] that it was 84 and 46 cents which happens to be the single gpu score oh that knocked them out
[865.02 --> 874.06] is a coincidence and there's really no reason for steve to get all salty about it and like return the
[874.06 --> 880.16] money because i mean really really it was it wasn't about like you know getting attention over
[880.16 --> 885.80] on his live stream or whatever this was about wanting to be supportive of his efforts i mean you
[885.80 --> 892.36] can you can you know you can break a lot of hardware you know treating it the way that he is right now
[892.36 --> 899.58] so it's it's just we we care about the hardware more yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah we still want to
[899.58 --> 904.50] break things yeah and we have a lot of respect for steve which is why we wanted to support him
[904.50 --> 910.56] and the valuable work that he does yeah with our 84 and 46 cents donate to gamers nexus today yeah
[910.56 --> 917.64] all right anyway they don't need our charity but they might need you yeah they might need yours
[917.64 --> 925.76] oops okay so let's go ahead and let's let's run through this here shall we so a bloomberg report
[925.76 --> 931.06] claims claims claims allegedly allegedly that china spies have carried out the most significant
[931.06 --> 936.28] supply chain attack ever known against american companies and what they mean by a supply chain
[936.28 --> 946.30] attack is that instead of trying to um to steal data by intercepting network traffic or by um gaining
[946.30 --> 952.74] physical access to a server that is already configured and already running uh and then and then steal the
[952.74 --> 961.30] data that way a supply chain attack would have the attacker actually hijack the shipment physically
[961.30 --> 967.74] oftentimes between two parties neither of which are aware of what's going on yeah make some kind of
[967.74 --> 975.04] change and then forward it again without either party becoming aware of what's going on so here's
[975.04 --> 982.56] the story allegedly according to the bloomberg report so in 2015 amazon began evaluating american
[982.56 --> 988.58] startup called elemental technologies yada yada yada that became amazon prime video so as part of
[988.58 --> 993.72] their due diligence amazon hired a third-party company to scrutinize their security elemental was
[993.72 --> 999.24] apparently using allegedly servers assembled by supermicro so we're familiar with supermicro we've
[999.24 --> 1005.06] used a fair bit of supermicro's gear ourselves including our main file storage server um i think
[1005.06 --> 1010.58] they're also pretty well known overall yeah so they were sent to ontario for testing the testers found a
[1010.58 --> 1014.52] tiny microchip about the size of a grain of rice that wasn't part of the board's original design
[1014.52 --> 1021.96] the chip apparently allegedly incorporated memory networking capability and sufficient processing power
[1021.96 --> 1029.02] for an attack so allegedly when the server was installed and switched on the microchip could alter
[1029.02 --> 1033.78] the operating system's core so it could accept modifications and the chip could contact computers
[1033.78 --> 1039.16] controlled by the attackers for further instructions and code so the primary role of an implant like this
[1039.16 --> 1044.96] would be to open doors that other attackers can go through depending on the board model allegedly
[1044.96 --> 1049.40] the chips varied slightly in size suggesting that the attackers had supplied different factories with
[1049.40 --> 1055.02] different batches amazon allegedly reported the discovery to the u.s authorities at this time
[1055.02 --> 1060.42] allegedly and at this time as well elemental servers could be found in department of defense data
[1060.42 --> 1066.42] centers the cia's drone operations and the onboard networks of navy warships but elemental was just one of
[1066.42 --> 1076.08] hundreds of super micro customers so the uh allegedly ensuing top secret probe remains open today more
[1076.08 --> 1080.82] than three years later with investigators determining that the chips allowed attackers to create a stealth
[1080.82 --> 1086.38] doorway into any network that included the altered machines now allegedly a lot of these things
[1086.38 --> 1098.84] don't initially necessarily pass a sniff test here even even like for not super technical people yeah like here can i give my my idiot
[1098.84 --> 1103.92] version of why a lot of this doesn't make a ton of sense okay and then i'll let you go sure okay
[1103.92 --> 1112.58] so a chip on a motherboard unless you're running your router with like um what's it called the auto configuring
[1112.58 --> 1121.28] stupid thing yeah wps w w no um man that's the auto connecting thing if that's what you're talking about
[1121.28 --> 1122.46] yeah no not that one
[1122.46 --> 1130.82] what's it called uh upnp okay yeah unless you're running a router with upnp
[1130.82 --> 1138.78] to my knowledge there is no way that a machine on the network can reconfigure the ports
[1138.78 --> 1142.52] that your network has open and how they're forwarded
[1142.52 --> 1148.50] so there's there's even more stuff than just that okay but that's just that's just the first thing
[1148.50 --> 1155.52] yeah so one thing i noticed but wasn't good enough with electronics to really yeah dive further into
[1155.52 --> 1161.02] but then was super happy that wendell started talking about it on twitter yeah was that like a chip
[1161.02 --> 1167.86] of literally that size and that in that place those connections yeah it would have to be like a two to
[1167.86 --> 1174.00] four pin chip right like what is it doing yeah what can you do with two pins so and people started
[1174.00 --> 1179.22] diving more into that but it's like it's already weird just at that level yeah and like this is way
[1179.22 --> 1183.72] beyond me so i don't know but the first hardware thing that stood out to me and we should go ahead
[1183.72 --> 1188.26] and we should pop this uh this article open here again and one thing i want to add is that people
[1188.26 --> 1193.84] far better at this stuff than linus and i are noticing these things yeah so so this was the first
[1193.84 --> 1198.76] thing that popped out to me here's the board and you can see they're kind of stripping off components
[1198.76 --> 1205.92] as we go here and here's the chip so i just i'm gonna i'm gonna print screen this real real quick
[1205.92 --> 1220.86] here there we go uh mspaint mspaint saves the day okay can we not shrink this really really oh paint
[1220.86 --> 1229.24] can you just why why why okay resize here we go percentage uh i don't i don't know 40 percent
[1229.24 --> 1238.08] there we go good enough all right so here's the issue so this uh this is a type of motherboard that
[1238.08 --> 1243.10] is pretty typical and what are they called blade servers yeah so this is where you basically are just
[1243.10 --> 1250.36] sliding an entire computer into a small bay in a larger chassis that would contain multiple computers
[1250.36 --> 1257.32] so this is really high density high density stuff here all right so the location was like somewhere
[1257.32 --> 1266.28] around here and the bloomberg article reports that it was able to get memory information i'm kind of
[1266.28 --> 1276.70] sitting here going how because this is your main motherboard chipset as far as i can tell and this
[1276.70 --> 1283.20] they've actually they seem to have blanked out yeah some of the details on this but this isn't much
[1283.20 --> 1291.62] and i don't know the most about pcb layout and board design for sure yeah but what i do know is that
[1291.62 --> 1299.92] you don't go out of your way to run traces like this well definitely not on a curve but like yeah you
[1299.92 --> 1303.88] don't want to run them far definitely you don't want to run them any further than you have to except in
[1303.88 --> 1310.76] very specific instances like for example memory high speed memory can benefit from little zigzags
[1310.76 --> 1316.34] so you'll see little zigzags in some traces and then you'll see straight uh straight traces running
[1316.34 --> 1324.50] to other places so for example let's say this is a cpu and this is the like you know four dim slots
[1324.50 --> 1329.96] next to it so in some can you hold this for me please sure thank you sir so in some cases you might see

[643.90 --> 647.42] i'm terrible at them i'm pretty good at mario kart but none of those real things wanted to play it

[647.42 --> 651.84] anyways was like you know what i'll give up i'll finally install windows 10 i'm sure they've gotten

[651.84 --> 658.56] a lot better uh over the last like quite a while as i've been using old operating systems um and then

[658.56 --> 663.94] this week the week i was planning on announcing that i i read the news article that the new update

[663.94 --> 670.36] is maybe going to just delete people's files brilliant so we'll get into that later and then

[670.36 --> 678.76] the actual big news like with far larger implications is that china apparently infiltrated apple and amazon

[678.76 --> 687.84] and multiple other companies with a hardware security compromise uh so we'll get into that quite a bit

[687.84 --> 695.26] more later allegedly allegedly allegedly let's go ahead and run the intro allegedly well we're

[695.26 --> 700.64] actually running the intro yeah allegedly i'm just being very careful on this episode

[700.64 --> 703.44] very careful

[703.44 --> 722.66] like just let our video go up and like let the momentum start to go down a little bit we had

[722.66 --> 730.00] to just get right in there and crap all over it which i mean we've i don't think we're gonna take

[730.00 --> 736.24] another run at it like realistically it's a lot it's actually a lot of work and so you know mad

[736.24 --> 743.40] respect to the people who you know get top scores and stuff um but i think i think i think we're done

[743.40 --> 748.94] i mean really what we wanted to do was come out of nowhere having not acknowledged what was going

[748.94 --> 756.16] on at all and just be like womp okay bye but then we didn't have an envi link bridge so we couldn't do

[756.16 --> 762.42] sli which is what everyone else was kind of focused on but that's probably fine anyway because we don't

[762.42 --> 769.32] have the same godlike cpu that jay has and we only even tried one gpu yeah we were just like okay hopefully

[769.32 --> 779.26] this one's pretty deece here we go um yeah so we got we got lucky we got lucky all right speaking of

[779.26 --> 785.40] getting lucky why don't we just open with this so it was posted by spartaman64 on the forum the original

[785.40 --> 798.56] article here is from bloomberg and there is a fair bit of kind of um uncorroborated information in this

[798.56 --> 804.52] article what's up that people are yelling that there's a bloomberg thing that there's a bloomberg

[804.52 --> 811.56] thing or sorry that there's a super chat oh there's a super chat oh fake news on the bloomberg article

[811.56 --> 818.06] yeah we are gonna talk about that yeah oh boy i think that's the one they're actually talking about

[818.06 --> 825.56] okay so um we know we know there's there's some weird stuff in the bloomberg article we'll talk about

[825.56 --> 834.16] that later we'll talk about we'll talk about that um gamers nexus just sent us a super chat

[834.16 --> 841.84] when and you know the funny thing about this is like we were just trying to be nice you know

[841.84 --> 849.28] by by beating all we were just trying to no no we bring more attention to no we no we we sent them a

[849.28 --> 855.82] super chat oh during their live stream yeah yeah so we were just trying to be nice i mean the fact

[855.82 --> 865.02] that it was 84 and 46 cents which happens to be the single gpu score oh that knocked them out

[865.02 --> 874.06] is a coincidence and there's really no reason for steve to get all salty about it and like return the

[874.06 --> 880.16] money because i mean really really it was it wasn't about like you know getting attention over

[880.16 --> 885.80] on his live stream or whatever this was about wanting to be supportive of his efforts i mean you

[885.80 --> 892.36] can you can you know you can break a lot of hardware you know treating it the way that he is right now

[892.36 --> 899.58] so it's it's just we we care about the hardware more yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah we still want to

[899.58 --> 904.50] break things yeah and we have a lot of respect for steve which is why we wanted to support him

[904.50 --> 910.56] and the valuable work that he does yeah with our 84 and 46 cents donate to gamers nexus today yeah

[910.56 --> 917.64] all right anyway they don't need our charity but they might need you yeah they might need yours

[917.64 --> 925.76] oops okay so let's go ahead and let's let's run through this here shall we so a bloomberg report

[925.76 --> 931.06] claims claims claims allegedly allegedly that china spies have carried out the most significant

[931.06 --> 936.28] supply chain attack ever known against american companies and what they mean by a supply chain

[936.28 --> 946.30] attack is that instead of trying to um to steal data by intercepting network traffic or by um gaining

[946.30 --> 952.74] physical access to a server that is already configured and already running uh and then and then steal the

[952.74 --> 961.30] data that way a supply chain attack would have the attacker actually hijack the shipment physically

[961.30 --> 967.74] oftentimes between two parties neither of which are aware of what's going on yeah make some kind of

[967.74 --> 975.04] change and then forward it again without either party becoming aware of what's going on so here's

[975.04 --> 982.56] the story allegedly according to the bloomberg report so in 2015 amazon began evaluating american

[982.56 --> 988.58] startup called elemental technologies yada yada yada that became amazon prime video so as part of

[988.58 --> 993.72] their due diligence amazon hired a third-party company to scrutinize their security elemental was

[993.72 --> 999.24] apparently using allegedly servers assembled by supermicro so we're familiar with supermicro we've

[999.24 --> 1005.06] used a fair bit of supermicro's gear ourselves including our main file storage server um i think

[1005.06 --> 1010.58] they're also pretty well known overall yeah so they were sent to ontario for testing the testers found a

[1010.58 --> 1014.52] tiny microchip about the size of a grain of rice that wasn't part of the board's original design

[1014.52 --> 1021.96] the chip apparently allegedly incorporated memory networking capability and sufficient processing power

[1021.96 --> 1029.02] for an attack so allegedly when the server was installed and switched on the microchip could alter

[1029.02 --> 1033.78] the operating system's core so it could accept modifications and the chip could contact computers

[1033.78 --> 1039.16] controlled by the attackers for further instructions and code so the primary role of an implant like this

[1039.16 --> 1044.96] would be to open doors that other attackers can go through depending on the board model allegedly

[1044.96 --> 1049.40] the chips varied slightly in size suggesting that the attackers had supplied different factories with

[1049.40 --> 1055.02] different batches amazon allegedly reported the discovery to the u.s authorities at this time

[1055.02 --> 1060.42] allegedly and at this time as well elemental servers could be found in department of defense data

[1060.42 --> 1066.42] centers the cia's drone operations and the onboard networks of navy warships but elemental was just one of

[1066.42 --> 1076.08] hundreds of super micro customers so the uh allegedly ensuing top secret probe remains open today more

[1076.08 --> 1080.82] than three years later with investigators determining that the chips allowed attackers to create a stealth

[1080.82 --> 1086.38] doorway into any network that included the altered machines now allegedly a lot of these things

[1086.38 --> 1098.84] don't initially necessarily pass a sniff test here even even like for not super technical people yeah like here can i give my my idiot

[1098.84 --> 1103.92] version of why a lot of this doesn't make a ton of sense okay and then i'll let you go sure okay

[1103.92 --> 1112.58] so a chip on a motherboard unless you're running your router with like um what's it called the auto configuring

[1112.58 --> 1121.28] stupid thing yeah wps w w no um man that's the auto connecting thing if that's what you're talking about

[1121.28 --> 1122.46] yeah no not that one

[1122.46 --> 1130.82] what's it called uh upnp okay yeah unless you're running a router with upnp

[1130.82 --> 1138.78] to my knowledge there is no way that a machine on the network can reconfigure the ports

[1138.78 --> 1142.52] that your network has open and how they're forwarded

[1142.52 --> 1148.50] so there's there's even more stuff than just that okay but that's just that's just the first thing

[1148.50 --> 1155.52] yeah so one thing i noticed but wasn't good enough with electronics to really yeah dive further into

[1155.52 --> 1161.02] but then was super happy that wendell started talking about it on twitter yeah was that like a chip

[1161.02 --> 1167.86] of literally that size and that in that place those connections yeah it would have to be like a two to

[1167.86 --> 1174.00] four pin chip right like what is it doing yeah what can you do with two pins so and people started

[1174.00 --> 1179.22] diving more into that but it's like it's already weird just at that level yeah and like this is way

[1179.22 --> 1183.72] beyond me so i don't know but the first hardware thing that stood out to me and we should go ahead

[1183.72 --> 1188.26] and we should pop this uh this article open here again and one thing i want to add is that people

[1188.26 --> 1193.84] far better at this stuff than linus and i are noticing these things yeah so so this was the first

[1193.84 --> 1198.76] thing that popped out to me here's the board and you can see they're kind of stripping off components

[1198.76 --> 1205.92] as we go here and here's the chip so i just i'm gonna i'm gonna print screen this real real quick

[1205.92 --> 1220.86] here there we go uh mspaint mspaint saves the day okay can we not shrink this really really oh paint

[1220.86 --> 1229.24] can you just why why why okay resize here we go percentage uh i don't i don't know 40 percent

[1229.24 --> 1238.08] there we go good enough all right so here's the issue so this uh this is a type of motherboard that

[1238.08 --> 1243.10] is pretty typical and what are they called blade servers yeah so this is where you basically are just

[1243.10 --> 1250.36] sliding an entire computer into a small bay in a larger chassis that would contain multiple computers

[1250.36 --> 1257.32] so this is really high density high density stuff here all right so the location was like somewhere

[1257.32 --> 1266.28] around here and the bloomberg article reports that it was able to get memory information i'm kind of

[1266.28 --> 1276.70] sitting here going how because this is your main motherboard chipset as far as i can tell and this

[1276.70 --> 1283.20] they've actually they seem to have blanked out yeah some of the details on this but this isn't much

[1283.20 --> 1291.62] and i don't know the most about pcb layout and board design for sure yeah but what i do know is that

[1291.62 --> 1299.92] you don't go out of your way to run traces like this well definitely not on a curve but like yeah you

[1299.92 --> 1303.88] don't want to run them far definitely you don't want to run them any further than you have to except in

[1303.88 --> 1310.76] very specific instances like for example memory high speed memory can benefit from little zigzags

[1310.76 --> 1316.34] so you'll see little zigzags in some traces and then you'll see straight uh straight traces running

[1316.34 --> 1324.50] to other places so for example let's say this is a cpu and this is the like you know four dim slots

[1324.50 --> 1329.96] next to it so in some can you hold this for me please sure thank you sir so in some cases you might see