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[1329.96 --> 1337.04] straight traces going out to the extremities and then you might see zigzag traces going here and
[1337.04 --> 1341.88] that's because when you're going real real fast i'm good when you're going real real fast it can
[1341.88 --> 1348.38] actually the difference in the arrival timing of the electrons can make a difference on that scale
[1348.38 --> 1355.00] so anyway but for something where you're transferring i wasn't fully listening to what you're saying because i was
[1355.00 --> 1360.02] reading chat but aj saying no it's to match the length of the lengths of the traces i know i just
[1360.02 --> 1367.64] said that oh i don't know it's just trying to put his input in there oh okay that was the okay okay if
[1367.64 --> 1372.08] it wasn't clear then it's really important that that's clear the reason that they're zigzagging here
[1372.08 --> 1376.42] is because that's a shorter distance and the reason that they're not zigzagging at the extremities
[1376.42 --> 1381.50] is because that's a longer distance so you got a zigzag here so that the traces are all the same length
[1381.50 --> 1390.30] so that the timing doesn't get bunged up all right so anyway that chip in order to have access to
[1390.30 --> 1396.52] memory what was it memory networking and what what else allegedly was it did it have access to here
[1396.52 --> 1405.60] hold on let me go let me go back to our notes um doorway into network etc etc uh what's that uh
[1405.60 --> 1412.62] i don't necessarily want to say it hold on ah interesting answer phone everyone's spamming that
[1412.62 --> 1415.68] oh i had my phone on silent
[1415.68 --> 1421.82] what do you want
[1421.82 --> 1428.68] so first of all i have you on speaker don't say anything uh but you don't want to reflect poorly
[1428.68 --> 1433.32] on your image i i don't think anything that i do could reflect poorly on my image
[1433.32 --> 1439.16] i think people are kind of used to my nonsense at this point what can i do for you
[1439.16 --> 1446.74] uh this is fine because uh our chat said that you uh you read our message and i wanted to make sure
[1446.74 --> 1454.86] you know it wasn't just oh oh no my feelings are super hurt actually so you know you know that uh you
[1454.86 --> 1460.34] know that event that um that you went ahead and attended last year where we kind of like
[1460.34 --> 1466.24] buried the hatchet and stuff like you were you were there for that right because i had really
[1466.24 --> 1470.58] understood that the hatchet was buried and now it really feel it feels like the hatchet has been
[1470.58 --> 1478.98] pulled out but like not out of the stump you know not not not out of the stump look steve i never
[1478.98 --> 1487.38] pull out okay that's why i got a vasectomy okay so look it feels like the hatchet that you pulled
[1487.38 --> 1493.64] out was not in a stump but actually in my chest and i'm bleeding right now steve i'm bleeding
[1493.64 --> 1501.62] i'm so sorry lion uh is there anything i can do to make it to stop the bleeding
[1501.62 --> 1512.48] you know what just just just just don't show up at ltx next year oh just don't show up even though
[1512.48 --> 1518.32] and then you know what this is breaking news breaking news actually we had a great chat with uh we're not
[1518.32 --> 1524.76] going to name any names but we had a great chat with an unnamed large land party organizer
[1524.76 --> 1536.64] and it looks like don't name them and it looks like ltx had somewhat confirmed next year is going to be
[1536.64 --> 1545.94] more than double the footprint with a byoc lan that is going to have capacity for hundreds of gamers
[1545.94 --> 1551.98] oh my god that is actually amazing and by the way steve i'm totally joking you have to be there it's
[1551.98 --> 1558.28] gonna it's gonna rock and of course i'm just messing with you uh thank you for uh thank you for thank
[1558.28 --> 1563.78] you for being uh hilarious in all this should consider doing yeah thanks for keeping it going i think it
[1563.78 --> 1567.88] was good for the community and you were streaming so you missed it but i actually just pre-called
[1567.88 --> 1573.04] like the hell out of ltx so i'm glad to hear you're joking because i'd have to take all that
[1573.04 --> 1578.76] oh yeah no way man it's gonna be so much better next year we are really looking forward to it and
[1578.76 --> 1583.98] i mean i just just so everyone knows like these events don't happen overnight like we are absolutely
[1583.98 --> 1587.36] already working on it it's not going to be happening for like another eight or nine months but
[1587.36 --> 1592.74] yeah i'm looking forward to it and uh i know i've kind of missed you at the last couple of events i
[1592.74 --> 1596.84] don't even think either of us went to uh went to the threadripper 2 thing did you go
[1596.84 --> 1606.08] no no okay well if nothing else i'll see you at ces right sounds good yeah all right okay cool man
[1606.08 --> 1614.58] all right bye steve all right bye steve you guys should consider just for fun yeah having like an
[1614.58 --> 1621.50] over a live overclocking panel you could even throw in like make it make it weird hardware or something
[1621.50 --> 1627.90] i would actually i've always duos in 98 hundreds i've always had more fun overclocking like weird
[1627.90 --> 1633.02] stuff yeah like get like gt 710s and then just see totally just yeah yeah yeah go to town that'd be
[1633.02 --> 1639.56] sweet like like bring in some weird hardware and have a little like overclocking thing anyway uh so
[1639.56 --> 1649.14] thank you to raging gamer um uh sam landis and uh paco sends who all messaged with super chat here i'm
[1649.14 --> 1654.44] just seeing it now to answer my phone sorry i had it muted because i'm trying to be a bit more of a
[1654.44 --> 1659.38] professional streamer now um because like my phone would go off all the time during streams in the
[1659.38 --> 1666.44] past anyway so uh yeah i i just don't get people who think that there's any kind of real like
[1666.44 --> 1672.72] animosity between us steve jay like any of those people and that's one thing that the computer hardware
[1672.72 --> 1677.68] review community has had for a long time because we've all been kind of friends for quite a long time
[1677.68 --> 1682.86] which has been cool there are a couple of notable exceptions well but i'm not going to name any
[1682.86 --> 1690.20] names but i will say that none of them are youtubers like anyone who thinks that you know me and
[1690.20 --> 1698.62] anyone has any kind of beef like uh or that we're we even really think of each other as competitors like
[1698.62 --> 1707.08] um yeah like awesome's coming to dinner like tomorrow yeah just hanging out not making videos
[1707.08 --> 1712.56] because sometimes that that's nice to do anyway let's get back to let's get back to the chip so
[1712.56 --> 1721.20] all right so in response to my initial sort of reaction here like what could possibly affect all
[1721.20 --> 1727.42] those things apparently what it was supposed to affect was ipmi which i've actually made a video
[1727.42 --> 1736.14] about in the past and what ipmi is is it is remote access to the server and it does allow you to
[1736.14 --> 1742.36] pretty much control the thing so you can get a video feed out uh you can actually uh power it up and down
[1742.36 --> 1749.30] you can uh change bio settings you can change pretty much anything that you would like about it
[1749.30 --> 1760.18] sort of so back to the allegedly all right um so investigators found that the chips had been
[1760.18 --> 1765.94] inserted at factories run by manufacturing subcontractors in china who make 75 of the world's
[1765.94 --> 1771.22] mobile phones and 90 of its pcs they also found eventually that it affected almost 30 companies
[1771.22 --> 1775.26] including a major bank government contractors and the world's most valuable company apple
[1775.26 --> 1781.58] um in may 2015 so this is going way back in time apple allegedly found malicious chips on super
[1781.58 --> 1785.46] micro motherboards and severed ties with super micro the following year though for what it described
[1785.46 --> 1794.30] as unrelated reasons so here's the part where this gets really tricky here's the list of everyone who
[1794.30 --> 1803.20] has denied this amazon said this is quote it is untrue that aws knew about a supply chain compromise
[1803.20 --> 1808.64] an issue with malicious chips or hardware modifications when acquiring elemental apple said
[1808.64 --> 1815.22] on this we can be very clear they have such an apple way of talking don't they apple has never found
[1815.22 --> 1820.76] malicious chips hardware manipulations or vulnerabilities purposely planted in any server
[1820.76 --> 1827.46] super micro we remain unaware of any such investigation the chinese government
[1827.46 --> 1833.56] supply chain safety in cyberspace is an issue of common concern and china is also a victim
[1833.56 --> 1841.90] okay that's not really the strongest denial no no but the fbi cis and nsa said no comment
[1841.90 --> 1848.60] now the company's denials are countered by six current and former senior senior national security
[1848.60 --> 1853.16] officials who in conversations that began during the obama administration and continued under the trump
[1853.16 --> 1856.34] administration detailed the discovery of the chips and the government's investigation
[1856.34 --> 1862.16] in all 17 people confirmed the manipulation of super micro's hardware and other elements of the
[1862.16 --> 1867.30] attacks are those actually confirmed or is that claimed by bloomberg this is all claimed by bloomberg yeah
[1867.30 --> 1881.28] so yeah i don't know me so there's more allegedly so here's here's part of the problem with all of this
[1881.28 --> 1896.64] a denial is interesting um but not necessarily the be all and end all it's not like apple is going to
[1896.64 --> 1905.86] you know yeah all of our networks were compromised yeah well actually they would they would just verify
[1905.86 --> 1912.86] why would they as long as they've fixed it now and again allegedly one government official said that
[1912.86 --> 1921.30] no consumer data was known to have been stolen so if apple has found the problem fixed the problem and
[1921.30 --> 1925.46] doesn't have to worry about this problem popping up at any point in the future
[1925.46 --> 1932.50] then okay why why would they go ahead and broadcast this on their own
[1932.50 --> 1939.18] one interesting thing for me how is super micro strip saying we remain unaware of any such investigation
[1939.18 --> 1944.42] it's just kind of interesting that these it's it's so
[1944.42 --> 1951.26] it's so much of a blanket no so apple says nope we've never seen anything like this in a server
[1951.26 --> 1956.98] and china says we're a victim too yeah that's pretty weird well that's a little weird
[1956.98 --> 1963.86] so i'm not much of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory nut but i can understand why it would be that these
[1963.86 --> 1970.62] companies have issued denials and that everyone is speaking um under condition of anonymity on something
[1970.62 --> 1977.94] like this because you might have an nda or you might be subject to criminal prosecution
[1977.94 --> 1983.18] if you were to talk about it that's true um that's very fair
[1983.18 --> 1994.46] so now would they go to bloomberg i don't know it's a wonderful question so all we can really do
[1994.46 --> 2003.34] is say hey here's what was reported by bloomberg who has not typically been known to be complete yahoos

[1329.96 --> 1337.04] straight traces going out to the extremities and then you might see zigzag traces going here and

[1337.04 --> 1341.88] that's because when you're going real real fast i'm good when you're going real real fast it can

[1341.88 --> 1348.38] actually the difference in the arrival timing of the electrons can make a difference on that scale

[1348.38 --> 1355.00] so anyway but for something where you're transferring i wasn't fully listening to what you're saying because i was

[1355.00 --> 1360.02] reading chat but aj saying no it's to match the length of the lengths of the traces i know i just

[1360.02 --> 1367.64] said that oh i don't know it's just trying to put his input in there oh okay that was the okay okay if

[1367.64 --> 1372.08] it wasn't clear then it's really important that that's clear the reason that they're zigzagging here

[1372.08 --> 1376.42] is because that's a shorter distance and the reason that they're not zigzagging at the extremities

[1376.42 --> 1381.50] is because that's a longer distance so you got a zigzag here so that the traces are all the same length

[1381.50 --> 1390.30] so that the timing doesn't get bunged up all right so anyway that chip in order to have access to

[1390.30 --> 1396.52] memory what was it memory networking and what what else allegedly was it did it have access to here

[1396.52 --> 1405.60] hold on let me go let me go back to our notes um doorway into network etc etc uh what's that uh

[1405.60 --> 1412.62] i don't necessarily want to say it hold on ah interesting answer phone everyone's spamming that

[1412.62 --> 1415.68] oh i had my phone on silent

[1415.68 --> 1421.82] what do you want

[1421.82 --> 1428.68] so first of all i have you on speaker don't say anything uh but you don't want to reflect poorly

[1428.68 --> 1433.32] on your image i i don't think anything that i do could reflect poorly on my image

[1433.32 --> 1439.16] i think people are kind of used to my nonsense at this point what can i do for you

[1439.16 --> 1446.74] uh this is fine because uh our chat said that you uh you read our message and i wanted to make sure

[1446.74 --> 1454.86] you know it wasn't just oh oh no my feelings are super hurt actually so you know you know that uh you

[1454.86 --> 1460.34] know that event that um that you went ahead and attended last year where we kind of like

[1460.34 --> 1466.24] buried the hatchet and stuff like you were you were there for that right because i had really

[1466.24 --> 1470.58] understood that the hatchet was buried and now it really feel it feels like the hatchet has been

[1470.58 --> 1478.98] pulled out but like not out of the stump you know not not not out of the stump look steve i never

[1478.98 --> 1487.38] pull out okay that's why i got a vasectomy okay so look it feels like the hatchet that you pulled

[1487.38 --> 1493.64] out was not in a stump but actually in my chest and i'm bleeding right now steve i'm bleeding

[1493.64 --> 1501.62] i'm so sorry lion uh is there anything i can do to make it to stop the bleeding

[1501.62 --> 1512.48] you know what just just just just don't show up at ltx next year oh just don't show up even though

[1512.48 --> 1518.32] and then you know what this is breaking news breaking news actually we had a great chat with uh we're not

[1518.32 --> 1524.76] going to name any names but we had a great chat with an unnamed large land party organizer

[1524.76 --> 1536.64] and it looks like don't name them and it looks like ltx had somewhat confirmed next year is going to be

[1536.64 --> 1545.94] more than double the footprint with a byoc lan that is going to have capacity for hundreds of gamers

[1545.94 --> 1551.98] oh my god that is actually amazing and by the way steve i'm totally joking you have to be there it's

[1551.98 --> 1558.28] gonna it's gonna rock and of course i'm just messing with you uh thank you for uh thank you for thank

[1558.28 --> 1563.78] you for being uh hilarious in all this should consider doing yeah thanks for keeping it going i think it

[1563.78 --> 1567.88] was good for the community and you were streaming so you missed it but i actually just pre-called

[1567.88 --> 1573.04] like the hell out of ltx so i'm glad to hear you're joking because i'd have to take all that

[1573.04 --> 1578.76] oh yeah no way man it's gonna be so much better next year we are really looking forward to it and

[1578.76 --> 1583.98] i mean i just just so everyone knows like these events don't happen overnight like we are absolutely

[1583.98 --> 1587.36] already working on it it's not going to be happening for like another eight or nine months but

[1587.36 --> 1592.74] yeah i'm looking forward to it and uh i know i've kind of missed you at the last couple of events i

[1592.74 --> 1596.84] don't even think either of us went to uh went to the threadripper 2 thing did you go

[1596.84 --> 1606.08] no no okay well if nothing else i'll see you at ces right sounds good yeah all right okay cool man

[1606.08 --> 1614.58] all right bye steve all right bye steve you guys should consider just for fun yeah having like an

[1614.58 --> 1621.50] over a live overclocking panel you could even throw in like make it make it weird hardware or something

[1621.50 --> 1627.90] i would actually i've always duos in 98 hundreds i've always had more fun overclocking like weird

[1627.90 --> 1633.02] stuff yeah like get like gt 710s and then just see totally just yeah yeah yeah go to town that'd be

[1633.02 --> 1639.56] sweet like like bring in some weird hardware and have a little like overclocking thing anyway uh so

[1639.56 --> 1649.14] thank you to raging gamer um uh sam landis and uh paco sends who all messaged with super chat here i'm

[1649.14 --> 1654.44] just seeing it now to answer my phone sorry i had it muted because i'm trying to be a bit more of a

[1654.44 --> 1659.38] professional streamer now um because like my phone would go off all the time during streams in the

[1659.38 --> 1666.44] past anyway so uh yeah i i just don't get people who think that there's any kind of real like

[1666.44 --> 1672.72] animosity between us steve jay like any of those people and that's one thing that the computer hardware

[1672.72 --> 1677.68] review community has had for a long time because we've all been kind of friends for quite a long time

[1677.68 --> 1682.86] which has been cool there are a couple of notable exceptions well but i'm not going to name any

[1682.86 --> 1690.20] names but i will say that none of them are youtubers like anyone who thinks that you know me and

[1690.20 --> 1698.62] anyone has any kind of beef like uh or that we're we even really think of each other as competitors like

[1698.62 --> 1707.08] um yeah like awesome's coming to dinner like tomorrow yeah just hanging out not making videos

[1707.08 --> 1712.56] because sometimes that that's nice to do anyway let's get back to let's get back to the chip so

[1712.56 --> 1721.20] all right so in response to my initial sort of reaction here like what could possibly affect all

[1721.20 --> 1727.42] those things apparently what it was supposed to affect was ipmi which i've actually made a video

[1727.42 --> 1736.14] about in the past and what ipmi is is it is remote access to the server and it does allow you to

[1736.14 --> 1742.36] pretty much control the thing so you can get a video feed out uh you can actually uh power it up and down

[1742.36 --> 1749.30] you can uh change bio settings you can change pretty much anything that you would like about it

[1749.30 --> 1760.18] sort of so back to the allegedly all right um so investigators found that the chips had been

[1760.18 --> 1765.94] inserted at factories run by manufacturing subcontractors in china who make 75 of the world's

[1765.94 --> 1771.22] mobile phones and 90 of its pcs they also found eventually that it affected almost 30 companies

[1771.22 --> 1775.26] including a major bank government contractors and the world's most valuable company apple

[1775.26 --> 1781.58] um in may 2015 so this is going way back in time apple allegedly found malicious chips on super

[1781.58 --> 1785.46] micro motherboards and severed ties with super micro the following year though for what it described

[1785.46 --> 1794.30] as unrelated reasons so here's the part where this gets really tricky here's the list of everyone who

[1794.30 --> 1803.20] has denied this amazon said this is quote it is untrue that aws knew about a supply chain compromise

[1803.20 --> 1808.64] an issue with malicious chips or hardware modifications when acquiring elemental apple said

[1808.64 --> 1815.22] on this we can be very clear they have such an apple way of talking don't they apple has never found

[1815.22 --> 1820.76] malicious chips hardware manipulations or vulnerabilities purposely planted in any server

[1820.76 --> 1827.46] super micro we remain unaware of any such investigation the chinese government

[1827.46 --> 1833.56] supply chain safety in cyberspace is an issue of common concern and china is also a victim

[1833.56 --> 1841.90] okay that's not really the strongest denial no no but the fbi cis and nsa said no comment

[1841.90 --> 1848.60] now the company's denials are countered by six current and former senior senior national security

[1848.60 --> 1853.16] officials who in conversations that began during the obama administration and continued under the trump

[1853.16 --> 1856.34] administration detailed the discovery of the chips and the government's investigation

[1856.34 --> 1862.16] in all 17 people confirmed the manipulation of super micro's hardware and other elements of the

[1862.16 --> 1867.30] attacks are those actually confirmed or is that claimed by bloomberg this is all claimed by bloomberg yeah

[1867.30 --> 1881.28] so yeah i don't know me so there's more allegedly so here's here's part of the problem with all of this

[1881.28 --> 1896.64] a denial is interesting um but not necessarily the be all and end all it's not like apple is going to

[1896.64 --> 1905.86] you know yeah all of our networks were compromised yeah well actually they would they would just verify

[1905.86 --> 1912.86] why would they as long as they've fixed it now and again allegedly one government official said that

[1912.86 --> 1921.30] no consumer data was known to have been stolen so if apple has found the problem fixed the problem and

[1921.30 --> 1925.46] doesn't have to worry about this problem popping up at any point in the future

[1925.46 --> 1932.50] then okay why why would they go ahead and broadcast this on their own

[1932.50 --> 1939.18] one interesting thing for me how is super micro strip saying we remain unaware of any such investigation

[1939.18 --> 1944.42] it's just kind of interesting that these it's it's so

[1944.42 --> 1951.26] it's so much of a blanket no so apple says nope we've never seen anything like this in a server

[1951.26 --> 1956.98] and china says we're a victim too yeah that's pretty weird well that's a little weird

[1956.98 --> 1963.86] so i'm not much of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory nut but i can understand why it would be that these

[1963.86 --> 1970.62] companies have issued denials and that everyone is speaking um under condition of anonymity on something

[1970.62 --> 1977.94] like this because you might have an nda or you might be subject to criminal prosecution

[1977.94 --> 1983.18] if you were to talk about it that's true um that's very fair

[1983.18 --> 1994.46] so now would they go to bloomberg i don't know it's a wonderful question so all we can really do

[1994.46 --> 2003.34] is say hey here's what was reported by bloomberg who has not typically been known to be complete yahoos