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[2609.00 --> 2610.00] Yeah, apparently.
[2610.00 --> 2611.00] That aren't that old?
[2611.00 --> 2612.00] 8.1 is like, not bad.
[2612.00 --> 2613.00] Yeah.
[2613.00 --> 2614.00] Yeah.
[2614.00 --> 2615.00] Especially the embedded one.
[2615.00 --> 2616.00] Yeah.
[2616.00 --> 2619.00] We use 8.1 embedded on our final render server.
[2619.00 --> 2625.00] The one that actually has an overclocked 10 core extreme edition in it.
[2625.00 --> 2627.00] Because that's server, right?
[2627.00 --> 2630.00] And water cooling in a 2U.
[2630.00 --> 2631.00] Don't worry about it.
[2631.00 --> 2632.00] Anyway, the point is...
[2632.00 --> 2633.00] It's fine.
[2633.00 --> 2634.00] We use 8.1 embedded.
[2634.00 --> 2636.00] I don't think that machine has ever failed in export.
[2636.00 --> 2637.00] No.
[2637.00 --> 2639.00] And the embedded versions are awesome.
[2639.00 --> 2645.00] And then the proper, chopped down version of Windows 10, they don't want you to buy it.
[2645.00 --> 2646.00] You have to be on a subscription.
[2646.00 --> 2647.00] You're only allowed to get the subscription if you're a business.
[2647.00 --> 2648.00] Well, it was the same with 8.1.
[2648.00 --> 2649.00] It was almost impossible to get it.
[2649.00 --> 2650.00] Yeah.
[2650.00 --> 2654.00] The only reason we got it was because we know someone who knows someone who obtained a key.
[2654.00 --> 2655.00] Yeah.
[2655.00 --> 2656.00] Um...
[2656.00 --> 2657.00] It is what it is.
[2657.00 --> 2658.00] I mean, by and large, we...
[2658.00 --> 2661.00] The best version of their operating system, they're just like, no, you guys don't get it.
[2661.00 --> 2664.00] By and large, we run legit versions of Windows.
[2664.00 --> 2665.00] We have Office 365.
[2665.00 --> 2667.00] Microsoft gets a ton of our money.
[2667.00 --> 2670.00] But, um, maybe this will get me in trouble, I guess.
[2670.00 --> 2675.00] But on that one machine, I am running a copy of Windows that I didn't buy.
[2675.00 --> 2676.00] Because I can't buy it.
[2676.00 --> 2677.00] Right.
[2677.00 --> 2678.00] Yeah.
[2678.00 --> 2681.00] If they were willing to sell it to me, I would gladly pay for it.
[2681.00 --> 2682.00] Yeah.
[2682.00 --> 2684.00] Anyway, let's move on.
[2684.00 --> 2690.00] Key iPhone source code leak gets posted online in, and I quote,
[2690.00 --> 2693.00] the biggest leak in history.
[2693.00 --> 2694.00] Oh my.
[2694.00 --> 2695.00] Dun, dun, dun.
[2695.00 --> 2696.00] Dun, dun.
[2696.00 --> 2698.00] The biggest leak in Apple history?
[2698.00 --> 2706.00] So, the source code for a core component of the iPhone's operating system, iBoot, was posted on GitHub.
[2706.00 --> 2708.00] So, here's the implications.
[2708.00 --> 2711.00] Thank you, Shreyas1, for posting this.
[2711.00 --> 2716.00] This could give hackers an easier time finding flaws and bugs that could allow them to crack or decrypt an iPhone.
[2716.00 --> 2721.00] I don't know how they would decrypt it, given that this wouldn't tell them anything about the security element, or secure element, rather.
[2721.00 --> 2725.00] Could eventually allow advanced programmers to emulate iOS on non-Apple platforms.
[2725.00 --> 2730.00] That would be so helpful.
[2730.00 --> 2731.00] That would be freaking awesome.
[2731.00 --> 2732.00] Oh my god.
[2732.00 --> 2733.00] That would be so good.
[2733.00 --> 2736.00] It could make iPhone jailbreaks easier to achieve.
[2736.00 --> 2740.00] It's already pretty easy.
[2740.00 --> 2742.00] Am I overselling this?
[2742.00 --> 2743.00] No.
[2743.00 --> 2744.00] Keep going.
[2744.00 --> 2745.00] My sadness?
[2745.00 --> 2746.00] 100%.
[2746.00 --> 2747.00] Continue.
[2747.00 --> 2748.00] The GitHub code...
[2748.00 --> 2749.00] The GitHub!
[2749.00 --> 2750.00] Yeah.
[2750.00 --> 2752.00] Is labeled iBoot, which is like the iPhone's BIOS, kind of.
[2752.00 --> 2755.00] And it's the first process that runs on your iPhone.
[2755.00 --> 2759.00] So, it loads and verifies the kernel, and makes sure it is properly signed by Apple, then executes.
[2759.00 --> 2764.00] The code says it's for iOS 9, but portions of it are likely still in use in iOS 11.
[2764.00 --> 2766.00] I mean, you look at any...
[2766.00 --> 2771.00] You don't rewrite an operating system from scratch, from one year to another.
[2771.00 --> 2777.00] And Apple has taken particular care to keep iBoot secure and its code private.
[2777.00 --> 2782.00] Bugs in the boot process are the most valuable ones, if reported to Apple through its bounty program,
[2782.00 --> 2785.00] which values them at a max payment of $200,000.
[2785.00 --> 2788.00] To be clear, I seriously doubt they've ever paid out $200k.
[2788.00 --> 2789.00] Right.
[2789.00 --> 2791.00] And I doubt they ever really will, but that's the max payment.
[2791.00 --> 2792.00] You're getting somewhere in there.
[2792.00 --> 2793.00] You're getting money.
[2793.00 --> 2794.00] Yeah.
[2794.00 --> 2795.00] You're getting good money.
[2795.00 --> 2800.00] A few hours after the publication, Apple sent a DMCA takedown, demanding GitHub take down
[2800.00 --> 2801.00] the boot code.
[2801.00 --> 2802.00] Good luck with that.
[2802.00 --> 2803.00] What's that called?
[2803.00 --> 2805.00] The what effect again?
[2805.00 --> 2806.00] The Strysand effect.
[2806.00 --> 2807.00] Yes, yes.
[2807.00 --> 2810.00] So, like, I guarantee it's everywhere already.
[2810.00 --> 2811.00] Yeah.
[2811.00 --> 2812.00] Yeah.
[2812.00 --> 2813.00] Yeah, so they're saying the iBoot...
[2813.00 --> 2817.00] GitHub might have even taken it down really fast, but the second anyone saw that, it was
[2817.00 --> 2818.00] copied.
[2818.00 --> 2819.00] Oh, yeah.
[2819.00 --> 2820.00] And it's everywhere.
[2820.00 --> 2821.00] Everywhere.

[2609.00 --> 2610.00] Yeah, apparently.

[2610.00 --> 2611.00] That aren't that old?

[2611.00 --> 2612.00] 8.1 is like, not bad.

[2612.00 --> 2613.00] Yeah.

[2613.00 --> 2614.00] Yeah.

[2614.00 --> 2615.00] Especially the embedded one.

[2615.00 --> 2616.00] Yeah.

[2616.00 --> 2619.00] We use 8.1 embedded on our final render server.

[2619.00 --> 2625.00] The one that actually has an overclocked 10 core extreme edition in it.

[2625.00 --> 2627.00] Because that's server, right?

[2627.00 --> 2630.00] And water cooling in a 2U.

[2630.00 --> 2631.00] Don't worry about it.

[2631.00 --> 2632.00] Anyway, the point is...

[2632.00 --> 2633.00] It's fine.

[2633.00 --> 2634.00] We use 8.1 embedded.

[2634.00 --> 2636.00] I don't think that machine has ever failed in export.

[2636.00 --> 2637.00] No.

[2637.00 --> 2639.00] And the embedded versions are awesome.

[2639.00 --> 2645.00] And then the proper, chopped down version of Windows 10, they don't want you to buy it.

[2645.00 --> 2646.00] You have to be on a subscription.

[2646.00 --> 2647.00] You're only allowed to get the subscription if you're a business.

[2647.00 --> 2648.00] Well, it was the same with 8.1.

[2648.00 --> 2649.00] It was almost impossible to get it.

[2649.00 --> 2650.00] Yeah.

[2650.00 --> 2654.00] The only reason we got it was because we know someone who knows someone who obtained a key.

[2654.00 --> 2655.00] Yeah.

[2655.00 --> 2656.00] Um...

[2656.00 --> 2657.00] It is what it is.

[2657.00 --> 2658.00] I mean, by and large, we...

[2658.00 --> 2661.00] The best version of their operating system, they're just like, no, you guys don't get it.

[2661.00 --> 2664.00] By and large, we run legit versions of Windows.

[2664.00 --> 2665.00] We have Office 365.

[2665.00 --> 2667.00] Microsoft gets a ton of our money.

[2667.00 --> 2670.00] But, um, maybe this will get me in trouble, I guess.

[2670.00 --> 2675.00] But on that one machine, I am running a copy of Windows that I didn't buy.

[2675.00 --> 2676.00] Because I can't buy it.

[2676.00 --> 2677.00] Right.

[2677.00 --> 2678.00] Yeah.

[2678.00 --> 2681.00] If they were willing to sell it to me, I would gladly pay for it.

[2681.00 --> 2682.00] Yeah.

[2682.00 --> 2684.00] Anyway, let's move on.

[2684.00 --> 2690.00] Key iPhone source code leak gets posted online in, and I quote,

[2690.00 --> 2693.00] the biggest leak in history.

[2693.00 --> 2694.00] Oh my.

[2694.00 --> 2695.00] Dun, dun, dun.

[2695.00 --> 2696.00] Dun, dun.

[2696.00 --> 2698.00] The biggest leak in Apple history?

[2698.00 --> 2706.00] So, the source code for a core component of the iPhone's operating system, iBoot, was posted on GitHub.

[2706.00 --> 2708.00] So, here's the implications.

[2708.00 --> 2711.00] Thank you, Shreyas1, for posting this.

[2711.00 --> 2716.00] This could give hackers an easier time finding flaws and bugs that could allow them to crack or decrypt an iPhone.

[2716.00 --> 2721.00] I don't know how they would decrypt it, given that this wouldn't tell them anything about the security element, or secure element, rather.

[2721.00 --> 2725.00] Could eventually allow advanced programmers to emulate iOS on non-Apple platforms.

[2725.00 --> 2730.00] That would be so helpful.

[2730.00 --> 2731.00] That would be freaking awesome.

[2731.00 --> 2732.00] Oh my god.

[2732.00 --> 2733.00] That would be so good.

[2733.00 --> 2736.00] It could make iPhone jailbreaks easier to achieve.

[2736.00 --> 2740.00] It's already pretty easy.

[2740.00 --> 2742.00] Am I overselling this?

[2742.00 --> 2743.00] No.

[2743.00 --> 2744.00] Keep going.

[2744.00 --> 2745.00] My sadness?

[2745.00 --> 2746.00] 100%.

[2746.00 --> 2747.00] Continue.

[2747.00 --> 2748.00] The GitHub code...

[2748.00 --> 2749.00] The GitHub!

[2749.00 --> 2750.00] Yeah.

[2750.00 --> 2752.00] Is labeled iBoot, which is like the iPhone's BIOS, kind of.

[2752.00 --> 2755.00] And it's the first process that runs on your iPhone.

[2755.00 --> 2759.00] So, it loads and verifies the kernel, and makes sure it is properly signed by Apple, then executes.

[2759.00 --> 2764.00] The code says it's for iOS 9, but portions of it are likely still in use in iOS 11.

[2764.00 --> 2766.00] I mean, you look at any...

[2766.00 --> 2771.00] You don't rewrite an operating system from scratch, from one year to another.

[2771.00 --> 2777.00] And Apple has taken particular care to keep iBoot secure and its code private.

[2777.00 --> 2782.00] Bugs in the boot process are the most valuable ones, if reported to Apple through its bounty program,

[2782.00 --> 2785.00] which values them at a max payment of $200,000.

[2785.00 --> 2788.00] To be clear, I seriously doubt they've ever paid out $200k.

[2788.00 --> 2789.00] Right.

[2789.00 --> 2791.00] And I doubt they ever really will, but that's the max payment.

[2791.00 --> 2792.00] You're getting somewhere in there.

[2792.00 --> 2793.00] You're getting money.

[2793.00 --> 2794.00] Yeah.

[2794.00 --> 2795.00] You're getting good money.

[2795.00 --> 2800.00] A few hours after the publication, Apple sent a DMCA takedown, demanding GitHub take down

[2800.00 --> 2801.00] the boot code.

[2801.00 --> 2802.00] Good luck with that.

[2802.00 --> 2803.00] What's that called?

[2803.00 --> 2805.00] The what effect again?

[2805.00 --> 2806.00] The Strysand effect.

[2806.00 --> 2807.00] Yes, yes.

[2807.00 --> 2810.00] So, like, I guarantee it's everywhere already.

[2810.00 --> 2811.00] Yeah.

[2811.00 --> 2812.00] Yeah.

[2812.00 --> 2813.00] Yeah, so they're saying the iBoot...

[2813.00 --> 2817.00] GitHub might have even taken it down really fast, but the second anyone saw that, it was

[2817.00 --> 2818.00] copied.

[2818.00 --> 2819.00] Oh, yeah.

[2819.00 --> 2820.00] And it's everywhere.

[2820.00 --> 2821.00] Everywhere.