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**Linus Lee:** I am a big fan. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. She's a good musician. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's fine, too. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, nothing wrong with that. It's just funny, because as you were saying that, I was looking at the results... Because it was one of your built-in labels, so... |
**Linus Lee:** Oh yeah, definitely. It's to suggest a social reason. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, exactly. |
**Linus Lee:** Actually, one of my other side projects is a quiz that will quiz you on how well you know Taylor Swift lyrics... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah, it's a good party game. |
**Jerod Santo:** Are you the only one that takes the quiz? |
**Linus Lee:** No. Actually, whenever I meet someone who's like "I'm a big Taylor Swift fan", I'm like "Take this quiz. Prove it to me." |
**Jerod Santo:** Wow. |
**Linus Lee:** I've only had a few people beat me at the game. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Wow. |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm not even gonna try. I used to think I knew Friends pretty well, and then I played the Friends version of Trivial Pursuit... I do not know Friends very well, it turns out. |
**Linus Lee:** \[01:00:02.19\] There are levels to it. That's all it is. |
**Jerod Santo:** There's always somebody who knows more that you at any particular subject, right? That's what you find. unless it's Taylor Swift, then you win. At least on this call. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So with Monocle, this was a personal problem that you saw for yourself, but you must have -- and I suppose to some degree you've probably shared some of the big ideas you might have released... As you solved this problem maybe your thought process around search and personal information and how you c... |
**Linus Lee:** First, just a couple of takeaways that I had. The first one is I do think more people should experiment with building something like this. It's kind of funny when I tweeted it out, and the tweet kind of became reason to be popular. A lot of people commented in sentiments of the sort of like "Oh, I've bee... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** More than that, actually... Because you built Ink first. |
**Linus Lee:** Well, true. But I could have written it using Python, or any other... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You could have. |
**Linus Lee:** It's conceptually simple, and if you scope it right, you can build something like this for your own personal infrastructure... So why don't more people do it? I think one of my purposes or goals in putting things like Monocle out is to encourage other people to also build their own versions, because it's... |
There's a lot of applications of search for keywords or search for ideas that I think are still kind of underexplored. I think there's a lot of opportunity to build better tools in the search space. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The phrase "search yourself" comes to mind when I hear you talk about this, because there is no true solved problem. How do you search yourself? Darth said a version of this. He said "Search your feelings, you know it to be true", which - there could be a play on that for naming. So we talked about ... |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How often do people out there wanna search themselves? |
**Linus Lee:** It is a big question. I think something that's related that Monocle has put in my brain is - think about memory; A lot of viewers a sense of identity comes from memory. One way that I describe Monocle a lot is as an extended memory. Everything that you've written, everything that you've read is in this t... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:04:06.04\] Mm-hm. |
**Linus Lee:** So that's how I'll tie that into your question... But yeah, you know, memory is more accessible. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** There's something here for sure, because -- I mean, I've even rediscovered old notes I've written way back when I think I was wiser. I feel like as you get older, just based upon entropy, you should get wiser, and I think I have gotten wiser, but I've also gotten forgetful. So there's been things I'... |
**Linus Lee:** That is a real thing that happens, is rediscovering what you already know. Quite often I'll search Monocle for a person or an idea... The other day I learned about this thing called a trigram index, which is a way of doing text indexes in a database... I thought this was the first time I'd heard about it... |
I think in general, searching my past in this way, I end up making a lot more internal connections between things I already know, or things I'm learning, which is cool. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Well, in memory you have a graph. There's always neurons that fire together, wire together... So if you never reconnect the wiring, essentially, in your memory bank, or the way you think about things, or how you associate a tree to the color green - or to leaves, or a forest, all those things ... |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah. That actually reminds me of a really interesting question when you asked me about Monocle, which is - if when you're searching for things, you're searching things you already know, doesn't that sort of create a filter bubble? And as I build more of these tools that use my existing data to help me d... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think it is, if it's limiting. So if you limit yourself only to that, then yes, it's a bubble. But if it's that plus, then it's not. |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah. I think there's definitely some bubble-like effect, as I use more and more of it... But yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see whether that's something that's noticeable, or whether the pros kind of outweigh the cons there. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, I love that you've put this out there, even though it's built for you... You said you wanna inspire people to build things like Monocle. I'm not sure if you've heard of Apollo or not, but there's at least one instance written by Amir Bolous I believe is his name, which I came across, which is a U... |
As I got to reading it, I'm like "This sounds a lot like Monocle." I'm like, "Maybe he has heard of Monocle." And at the very bottom, he lists inspirations, and he says Monocle right there. So I no longer had to wonder if that was inspired by Monocle; it sure was. So at least one person is out there, taking your torch ... |
**Linus Lee:** \[01:08:17.18\] Yeah, I think that's awesome. So Amir and I have actually spoken on Twitter before. We've talked about various projects, and did some other projects that are sort of riffs of mine as well, outside of Monocle. I think what I like about Apollo in particular is it's not an exact reimplementa... |
**Jerod Santo:** Doesn't yours also index the pages that you're bookmarking, though? |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah, that sounds right. |
**Jerod Santo:** So it's a slice of yours; a focused slice of what Monocle does. |
**Linus Lee:** Right, right. As more people put this kind of spin on it and add their own opinions to it, I think that's the way that we're gonna find new, interesting tools. So I think that's great. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I love that Apollo is very Google-esque in terms of the colors... It's old school, at least on the visual interface, but it's paying some sort of homage to Google. It could be scary. |
**Linus Lee:** I like the aesthetic as well. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, it's like an old-school design. We'll link that one up as well. Well, Linus, thanks so much for coming on the show, sharing your personal universe of knowledge with us. I love how willing you are to go off the beaten path, learn and build brand new things... Kind of in similar vein to Rasmus Ande... |
**Linus Lee:** Nothing in particular. I'd just say, if you come across an interesting project or an idea... I think the world is much more interesting when your default assumption is not whether I can build it or not, but if I wanna build something like it, what's the first step? How complicated could it be? Have your ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Very good advice, I love that. That's an excellent mindset. Linus, thank you so much for joining us. It's been awesome having you. |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me. |
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