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**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Linus Lee:** \[52:09\] A lot of companies are tackling this these days, but I think there's some kinks to work out, and a lot of exciting things that we can do once I can take my Monocle database and merge it with yours, and search both. More things like that. |
One thing that I've thought about as an extension to Monocle, or maybe a project that someone else can work on, is what if there was Monocle for my entire team? If I've ever talked to a customer or if I've ever worked on this problem, it's in the database. And if someone else searches for how to solve this particular p... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Linus Lee:** The problem there again is - okay, maybe they don't know that it's in there. They don't know what to search for, so you get into more machine learning-driven ways to recommend things. But in general, I think when you share these databases there's a lot of potential. |
**Jerod Santo:** There's a lot of human problems in there as well around privacy, and agency, and consent... Because maybe Albert Einstein doesn't want us to have his Monocle. But he's dead, and he can't speak for himself. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. I think in this case my example, to be clear, was like if you elect it. |
**Jerod Santo:** I know it was. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** If the person elected to, because they thought "Well, when I'm gone..." |
**Jerod Santo:** "...who cares?" |
**Adam Stacoviak:** "...I want to give my knowledge to the public." |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, I know you meant that. I'm just saying, even in real-time, if we just talk about sharing amongst a small organization, knowledge sharing, it's very difficult, because there's a lot of little nuances... I think Basecamp does a pretty good job of this, with like a client and a service provider rela... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** He's too loud. |
**Jerod Santo:** George is too loud? Be quiet, George. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Get upset. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. It gets really difficult to actually navigate those paths well. |
**Linus Lee:** Monocle is a great example of the type of thing that would be very difficult to build for the general public because of the privacy reason. I have all my journals in there, I have all my private notes in there, in addition to all my public data... And I would never give that data to any company that want... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Which makes sense in team environments, because if it's encapsulated to just simply the amount of knowledge and service you can give to the team, for example... Like, in a work environment. You sign a contract or you're committed in some sort of way; there's some sort of clear boundary between you, ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** There's some sort of offer there. And I think in those scenarios it can be easier to give, but then at what point? What do you give? You can search all my emails, you can search all my docs I created, you can search all my notes in the employee version of my notes app, or whatever... There is some l... |
**Linus Lee:** It's literally that I couldn't look things up as much as I wanted to. Frequently, for example, when I tried to learn something new around -- I was looking up a lot of stuff around natural language processing, like a topic, extraction from text, and things like that, I was trying to figure out what I knew... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[56:21\] Or even document more. |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah, exactly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I would imagine you're far more motivated to put down what you think and know, because in the future what you thought you know you actually knew, and now you wanna know what you knew. |
**Linus Lee:** Exactly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Try to follow that. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] Can you write that down? |
**Linus Lee:** These days when I bookmark something it's not just "Oh, I'll come back to it later", but it's like "I'll be able to search this later." So anytime I come across something that is like "Oh, I might wanna remember this or recall this", I just bookmark it now, and I know I'll be able to search for it foreve... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. So does this thing then just simply index and keep a copy? Because the version I'm seeing at Monocle.search.sh seems like it's its own version. I don't think that this blog post that you wrote, the miracle of trust, is -- because I just click on your examples and I think the things it searched... |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah, yeah. So the way that Monocle generally works is I pull in excerpts, if it's a long document, or the whole document if it's not that long, of any of this data stuff, data sources that I have... And it keeps a local excerpt. But then if it's something that I can link to, you can click on the Open bu... |
The version that you're looking on Monocle.search.sh is actually also kind of exactly what you talked about; it's like a public version. That's the version where from the search index all of my private data was scrubbed out. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So you don't need to search public sources, essentially. |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** This is in the index, but it's search for this -- the public version can only see sources that are from there. So do you mean literally scrubbed, or just not searchable? Like, it's in the database, but maybe it just doesn't show. |
**Linus Lee:** So it's actually two completely separate indexes. That one only has public data indexes. The one that I have access to - it feels so secretive - nobody else has access to. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** He made a face when he said that too, everybody. He's like, "Hm, I'm so secretive..." |
**Jerod Santo:** Hah! |
**Linus Lee:** It has a few extra thousand documents from my personal notes and all this kind of stuff that only I have access to. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, let's face it, there's things to be private about, and that's okay. There's things to be private about that aren't necessarily embarrassing, or wrong. It's just private. This is my information, not yours. There you go. |
**Linus Lee:** Yeah. And also, it's so hard to -- you know, I don't wanna have to look through all my notes to see which one I can show or not, so I just don't show them. But there's already a lot there. All my tweets are searchable, which is itself pretty embarrassing. You can search for anything and find all the time... |
**Jerod Santo:** Taylor Swift, 84 results. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's a lot. It's more than mine. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's a lot of tweets. You spend a lot of time tweeting. "I talked about Taylor Swift during this web design lecture, in a Taylor Swift shirt, while playing a Taylor Swift song, working on a demo of a Taylor Swift-themed website. This is my best life." |
**Linus Lee:** Oh, no... |
**Jerod Santo:** That's a public tweet by you, my friend... |
**Linus Lee:** That is a public tweet... Like it or not. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] It's a public tweet. |
**Linus Lee:** That's already public, so making it searchable... Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** So... Taylor Swift fan, it seems. |
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