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[3724.94 --> 3727.90] And this thing, AWS cannot, this is not open source.
[3727.90 --> 3729.28] This is proprietary code.
[3729.86 --> 3732.08] But it's still Deno in terms of the API.
[3732.40 --> 3734.10] So I'm using Deno to develop.
[3734.34 --> 3735.26] I can use it locally.
[3735.46 --> 3738.06] I can deploy it on my VPS fine.
[3738.18 --> 3749.78] But if I want to run it in this capacity where my users are in Tokyo, so my Deno process is running in Tokyo, then Deno deploy is just like, you know, a push away or a sign up away.
[3750.18 --> 3751.46] It's a pretty cool idea.
[3752.10 --> 3752.52] That's right.
[3752.64 --> 3752.76] Yeah.
[3752.76 --> 3757.44] You know, of course, you can take Deno, the executable that you download that's free.
[3757.90 --> 3760.52] And you can wrap that up in a Docker.
[3760.52 --> 3767.42] And you can send that out to AWS Lambda and kind of have a very similar experience.
[3767.62 --> 3770.14] But that is not what we are doing internally.
[3770.14 --> 3773.58] We are not running Deno in some Docker container.
[3773.88 --> 3776.92] We actually are kind of using the VA isolate.
[3776.92 --> 3779.94] We were talking about how this is a secure sandbox before.
[3779.94 --> 3791.00] So instead of having multiple Linux VMs running for all of the different tenants on this web server, we actually have all of these little VA isolates running.
[3791.32 --> 3793.50] And these, as we mentioned, are secure sandboxes.
[3793.50 --> 3799.36] So we don't have to worry too much about hackers being able to see other people's requests and whatnot.
[3799.78 --> 3802.12] And the nice thing about these is they're super lightweight.
[3802.12 --> 3805.30] This is essentially like opening a tab in a web browser.
[3805.60 --> 3808.26] So think of a web server with a bunch of tabs in it.
[3808.36 --> 3811.54] And each of the tabs is for a different tenant on the system.
[3812.30 --> 3816.18] And so we can respond to requests very, very fast.
[3816.48 --> 3821.66] We have cold start times in sub, I think, less than 10 milliseconds.
[3821.94 --> 3822.98] Not sure the exact number.
[3823.66 --> 3825.84] And we do all sorts of nice optimizations.
[3825.84 --> 3828.82] Obviously, it only runs JavaScript, right?
[3828.90 --> 3830.32] This is not a Linux VM.
[3830.58 --> 3833.04] So you cannot run your Python process in this.
[3833.40 --> 3845.36] But because we've kind of taken this, because we've built explicitly on top of VA, we can make all sorts of very nice optimizations like Cloudflare has done to speed the response time.
[3845.70 --> 3851.02] I think Amazon would have to be really motivated to do an Amazon deploy with a Deno repackaged.
[3851.28 --> 3854.94] I'm not sure that's part of their business model to serve customers, but I could be wrong.
[3854.94 --> 3856.62] You never know what they're going to do next.
[3856.92 --> 3857.74] You just never know.
[3857.88 --> 3858.62] You just never know.
[3859.08 --> 3865.48] The liberally licensed, the permissively licensed, MIT, you know, open source, single binary collection.
[3865.84 --> 3867.88] Sure, maybe they would do that, but I don't think that's their model.
[3868.48 --> 3880.84] So I think your goal, though, is to provide Deno as it is to, I guess, to maybe solve some of the problems you didn't do well enough with Node and sort of live on those dreams you had with Deno.
[3880.84 --> 3886.98] But then still have this commercially applicable ability on top of Deno.
[3887.08 --> 3892.12] And you mentioned in your announcement for the company, we've been hinting at commercial applications.
[3892.66 --> 3895.78] And so, correct me if I'm wrong, deploy is just one application.
[3895.78 --> 3898.86] So applications of this infrastructure for years.
[3899.28 --> 3901.62] What are some other ideas that you have that you can share?
[3901.72 --> 3905.42] Is there anything you could tease or mention or early announce?
[3905.42 --> 3905.90] Right.
[3906.76 --> 3911.30] We're working on this deploy product, and that's the only thing we're going to be working on for the foreseeable future.
[3911.58 --> 3914.20] But other applications would be, say, Electron.
[3914.58 --> 3925.28] We think we could do a much better kind of GUI application framework than Electron has, given that we have Rust and that Deno is kind of broken up into these building blocks.
[3925.28 --> 3933.34] Generally, there's all sorts of systems that kind of want little one-off JavaScript, little bits to be scriptable.
[3934.00 --> 3939.92] And we think that there may be all sorts of kind of hidden use cases where people might want to have a Deno API.
[3940.32 --> 3944.64] That is, and by the way, I should be explicit, like Deno is trying not to have an API.
[3944.92 --> 3946.90] Deno is trying to be the web browser API.
[3946.90 --> 3955.48] Deno is trying to not have a specific Deno API, but just if you want to encode a string into a UN8 array, you use Text Encoder.
[3955.82 --> 3958.92] We don't have a special Deno API for that.
[3959.42 --> 3964.74] But yeah, I think there's databases that may want to do, say, MapReduce with JavaScript.
[3965.42 --> 3968.18] Potentially, there's some commercial application there.
[3968.68 --> 3972.32] But yeah, I think for the moment, we're focused on this Deno deploy.
[3972.32 --> 3979.10] The idea is that if you're writing a website, you write some JavaScript, you might run this locally with Deno on your computer.
[3979.40 --> 3983.94] You know, maybe spin up a little local server to serve that front-end JavaScript.
[3984.44 --> 3993.56] That kind of server-side code to assist you in writing this front-end stuff, or maybe any back-end code that you write, is also very web browser-y.
[3994.00 --> 3997.04] It uses the same WebSocket APIs, for example.
[3997.68 --> 4000.22] And so, you know, there's basically three different deployments.
[4000.22 --> 4007.98] It's the web browser, front-end JavaScript, your local computer, where you're going to be writing some kind of server-side JavaScript, say.
[4008.16 --> 4011.72] And then maybe you want to deploy that server and run it globally.
[4011.90 --> 4014.34] So then you send out that code to Deno deploy.
[4014.78 --> 4017.98] And by the way, you can take that executable and you can deploy it yourself.
[4017.98 --> 4022.64] So you're in no ways, like, locked into using our Deno deploy system.
[4022.92 --> 4027.00] But, you know, we're going to have the best way for you to deploy your Deno scripts.
[4027.76 --> 4029.42] What's the state of Deno deploy currently?
[4029.42 --> 4030.62] Is it in beta?
[4030.82 --> 4032.04] I know people can use it.
[4032.14 --> 4032.64] It's in beta.
[4032.88 --> 4034.88] What is the state of it as a commercial product?
[4034.96 --> 4036.84] Is it, it's not collecting funds currently?
[4036.96 --> 4037.92] People aren't paying for it currently.
[4037.96 --> 4040.20] It's sort of available to use.
[4040.36 --> 4042.44] How do you plan to convert that into commercial?
[4043.06 --> 4043.92] What's the current state?
[4044.28 --> 4046.28] Yeah, it's in open beta right now.
[4046.66 --> 4049.48] I would consider it a technology demo at this point.
[4049.58 --> 4053.78] We're working on cool features that will be announced soon.
[4054.36 --> 4057.02] Yeah, we will have a general availability announcement.
[4057.02 --> 4062.42] We don't have a deadline for that yet, but we hope that it will be later this year.
[4062.94 --> 4065.92] So, you know, we're kind of thinking in the six month timeline or so.
[4066.46 --> 4067.28] But yeah, it's usable.
[4067.48 --> 4068.34] People should try it out.
[4068.50 --> 4069.82] It hooks up with your...
[4069.82 --> 4070.30] Production ready then?
[4070.48 --> 4071.00] Production stable?
[4071.00 --> 4072.90] I would not know.
[4073.06 --> 4073.68] Consider it that.
[4073.96 --> 4074.72] He said usable.
[4074.92 --> 4075.80] He didn't say production.
[4076.20 --> 4076.60] Okay.
[4077.02 --> 4077.14] Yeah.
[4077.22 --> 4078.56] We have no SLA.
[4079.42 --> 4082.96] So it's something that, you know, if you're interested, you should try it out.
[4083.08 --> 4087.58] But I would not use it for production problems at this point.