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**Pia Mancini:** Yeah, right now they need to get in touch, and we are doing a lot of outreach ourselves with this, in any OpenCollective channel - on Twitter, support@opencollective.com, pia@opencollective.com, ben@opencollective.com... You know, everything gets to us. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \*@opencollective.com. |
**Pia Mancini:** Yeah, exactly. We are working on a flow for funds. I do not know how many funds we have, to be honest. I have no idea. We've been doing two things - we've been getting new funds, but also -- and I'll tell you about the types of funds as well, which is interesting... And also converting existing sponsor... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's good. |
**Pia Mancini:** ...so instead of spending monthly this money, send it to us - one year, one invoice, one payment, and that's it. So it's both. It's an outreach, and also internal corporations already on Open Collective. And then the types of funds that we've been seeing... We've been seeing corporate funds like Samsun... |
The Internet Freedom Fund is another one, where we put money from Ford, Luminate, also Facebook started one with us to support this type of internet freedom technology projects. We're seeing both - single company, that's like "I'll give you my money. Please spend it on open source" and "Let's pool money together to sup... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[36:05\] Yeah. Have you begun to quantify the impact? Because anytime you talk about organizing people and assembling these opportunities for corporations to participate, sometimes - as Jerod was saying - how do you convince, or encourage... |
**Pia Mancini:** Nudge... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, nudge. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** If you're trying to encourage, sometimes the way to do is through what the actual impact is. Can you share any details around the launch of funds, and the initial impact, where you're seeing things going, and if it keeps going that way, here's the trend - can you quantify some of those things, to so... |
**Pia Mancini:** No... I'm really bad at that, to be honest. It's not in my skillset. I should do more of that. OpenCollective also doesn't track anything. We don't even use Google Analytics or anything. That's how we are. We are radically transparent, but we also don't track anyone and don't keep any kind of analytics... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. |
**Pia Mancini:** I also wanna say that OpenCollective's data is open. We regularly post all our data on a Google Drive that is publicly accessible, and if you go to a homepage, there is a link to open data, and everything is there. So anyone who wants to do this and run these numbers, and if there's like any data scien... |
One of the things that we are doing though is we're building proper metrics tooling for collectives and fiscal hosts. So we will have a much better understanding of, you know, "They've been spending money on this", or "From this budget, open source projects normally spend 90% of their budget on a monthly basis" or "The... |
**Break:** \[38:02\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Could the impact be quantified, to some degree maybe, just simply new money in? Because it's assumed that the money is gonna go somewhere, and the money is gonna have some sort of impact. Do you have a metrics for new money in, or sort of how the total raised has gone up 25%? Or I'm looking at a bud... |
**Pia Mancini:** \[40:01\] Yes, I have -- let me see... Let me open my Metabase dashboard. I have a fancy dashboard for this. |
**Jerod Santo:** Metabase. |
**Pia Mancini:** Metabase. I just don't use it that often-- |
**Jerod Santo:** We've done a show on Metabase. |
**Pia Mancini:** You did? It's pretty good. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, after ten years you've done a show on everything, pretty much... \[laughter\] |
**Pia Mancini:** True. And obviously, we are changing things on the -- oh, we're having a good month. That's great. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Surprise...! |
**Pia Mancini:** Surprise! It's great. We're actually -- can I say something? We're sustainable, which is so amazing. Obviously, it was so scary for me, especially when my co-founder left, and I was like "Alright, this is your thing now, and you're losing money every month... Like, a lot." Now we are in the green, and ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Congratulations. That's awesome. |
**Pia Mancini:** Thank you. I know. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. That's an impact right there alone. |
**Pia Mancini:** Exactly. We're not gonna die. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Sustainably sustaining. |
**Pia Mancini:** Exactly. Exactly. We're default alive, which is great. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What I was trying to extrapolate was just essentially if I just go and add up Airbnb's fund, it's $385,000 total raise. Indeed's is $120,000. You've mentioned Chrome, and their number, at least on the site, is $650,000 total raised. You mentioned now there's half a million more, so we're talking abo... |
**Pia Mancini:** Yes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You sort of count on this recurring monthly payment or whatever, but it's just harder to see the long-term finish line because you've got trickling money, versus a big wad of cash. |
**Pia Mancini:** Absolutely. That's also part of why we want to do better metric tooling for collectives. It's like, now we have a fair bit of maintainers that are working full-time for their communities. Like, if I need these metrics to run our company, they need these metrics to run their project as well. They need t... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Churn, yeah. |
**Pia Mancini:** ...yeah, that I have for OpenCollective, they need it for -- and don't ask me about those, because I need to look at them... We also need to provide it to collectives. But I think that historically, the Open Source Collective has raised 15 million dollars. That was like last year. A ton of that was in ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Pia Mancini:** And that's a lot of money. 15 million dollars is a lot of money, or at least for us, to go to open source. Not nearly enough what the ecosystem needs, but it was zero for many of these projects five years ago. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I was gonna say, it's better than zero. |
**Pia Mancini:** Yeah, it's a lot better. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's more than zero and it's better than zero, because it could be -- if you and team weren't working so hard on this, these last five years, and you've mentioned some of the ups and downs... If you weren't doing all this, it could still be zero. |
**Pia Mancini:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But it's not. |
**Pia Mancini:** It's not. It's 15 million dollars. Probably more this year. I'm trying to look at \[unintelligible 00:43:24.18\] absolutely cannot find, that gives you how much money -- oh, here it is. How much money was raised by the host. 15 million dollars. |
**Jerod Santo:** 15 million. |
**Pia Mancini:** That's great. |
**Jerod Santo:** Nice. |
**Pia Mancini:** And 34 in GBP. \[laughs\] That's what the Open Source Collective -- I don't know why we have something in GBP. It was very funny. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You must have amazing accountants. |
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