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[1903.50 --> 1907.80] So we couldn't really say, hey, we're going to hire somebody full-time to make this great.
[1908.60 --> 1910.00] So we acquired it from him.
[1910.12 --> 1911.88] We have now Jesse working on it full-time.
[1912.08 --> 1916.48] And, like, you know, just we keep, you know, pumping out cool stuff.
[1917.42 --> 1921.44] Yeah, a full-time employee is going to, you know, they've got some time to fill.
[1922.26 --> 1928.78] You know, it's, yeah, well, the thing is, because we're so big, like, you know, we are 13 people full-time now.
[1930.38 --> 1930.98] That's crazy.
[1931.50 --> 1932.18] Yeah, thanks.
[1932.74 --> 1933.48] Lucky 13.
[1933.48 --> 1938.46] But the thing is, they work all over the place, right?
[1938.48 --> 1939.94] Like, we have the operating system guy.
[1940.04 --> 1942.46] We have the supervisor people.
[1942.58 --> 1943.92] We have the front-end people.
[1944.04 --> 1948.08] And so we're actually very thinly spread because there's just so much happening.
[1948.82 --> 1949.46] For sure.
[1949.76 --> 1949.94] Yeah.
[1950.20 --> 1957.68] Yeah, it's both a lot of people from when you started at one, but it's also not a lot of people for the scope of work there is out there.
[1957.68 --> 1958.12] Exactly.
[1958.88 --> 1962.30] Can you even imagine how many people, you know, a commercial entity?
[1962.46 --> 1968.94] Let's just hypothetically say you were owned by EA or some massive conglomerate like that, right?
[1969.06 --> 1972.74] How many people would they employ to write a piece of software like Home Assistant?
[1972.94 --> 1976.10] And it's just, to me, that speaks to the power of open source, right?
[1976.18 --> 1980.64] I mean, we couldn't have things in the world like Home Assistant without open source.
[1980.64 --> 1982.02] No, I think so.
[1982.12 --> 1987.30] I mean, there's just, you know, we get people from, like, all over the place.
[1987.38 --> 1990.00] They're brilliant programmers, but they have their day jobs.
[1990.38 --> 1992.18] And, like, you know, it's funny.
[1992.30 --> 1993.72] We have a couple of people.
[1994.26 --> 1995.86] One is a CEO of a company.
[1996.12 --> 1998.20] The other is, like, a director of software engineering.
[1998.34 --> 1999.14] So he's, like, a manager.
[1999.68 --> 2002.40] And, like, they just don't get to code at work anymore, right?
[2002.44 --> 2004.16] So they come home and they're like, well, f*** it.
[2004.76 --> 2005.54] I'm going to have it.
[2006.58 --> 2007.36] Yeah, absolutely.
[2007.44 --> 2007.70] I agree.
[2007.70 --> 2020.24] And also those sorts of people who have had a lot of training in programming and stuff like that in the past, they've got a lot that they can bring to the table, but their motivation might be sporadic.
[2020.74 --> 2024.52] And, you know, it's not really suitable to do a full-time job that way.
[2024.62 --> 2030.08] But absolutely, you can contribute, you know, a couple of weeks' worth of evenings of your brain to an open source project.
[2030.54 --> 2033.92] Well, I mean, that's how our core was originally all in threads.
[2034.12 --> 2035.86] And, like, we had, like, deadlocks all the time.
[2035.86 --> 2040.82] And then somebody came along who works in Mozilla, and he had a lot of Python experience.
[2041.06 --> 2042.62] He made, like, pylons in the past.
[2042.86 --> 2047.10] And, yeah, he rewrote our core to async.
[2047.32 --> 2049.84] And that's what we still run today, and that's why we're so fast.
[2050.32 --> 2052.44] So that's just a random guy that came along.
[2053.04 --> 2065.14] You know what else I love as well about the number of people you've just shared work for Nebukasa is the fact that that means that somebody like a Mozilla isn't needed to come out and buy you out to keep you sustainable.
[2065.14 --> 2068.94] It's a self-sustaining funding model you've created here.
[2069.04 --> 2069.64] I think that's great.
[2069.96 --> 2070.10] Yeah.
[2070.10 --> 2071.30] No, it's been really great.
[2071.40 --> 2078.12] I think, you know, we have no investors and no loans and these kind of stuff because it misaligns incentives, right?
[2078.18 --> 2080.16] Because, you know, they want, like, return on investment.
[2081.52 --> 2081.72] Yeah.
[2081.80 --> 2083.68] I mean, it's working great so far.
[2083.68 --> 2091.76] I mean, I expect as the pandemic, like, wees off that maybe people are spending less time at home, maybe spending less time on home assistance.
[2091.92 --> 2092.36] Who knows?
[2092.94 --> 2094.70] But they might need remote access.
[2095.06 --> 2095.52] That's true.
[2096.36 --> 2096.72] You know?
[2096.72 --> 2114.10] I mean, I happily, happily pay that because I think it's a – not only is it a fantastic service and I like how you are implementing it, but I also appreciate sort of the virtuous cycle of it incentivizes the company to make home assistance better, which just continues to drive more value to my su...
[2114.54 --> 2118.12] And it's legitimately one of those arrangements that I happily pay.
[2118.58 --> 2118.94] That's awesome.
[2118.94 --> 2119.92] Yeah, same.
[2120.02 --> 2121.10] I don't really need it.
[2121.18 --> 2126.38] I could quite happily set up my own reverse proxy with WireGuard and – in fact, I used to.
[2126.52 --> 2127.74] And then Nebu Kasa came on.
[2128.00 --> 2128.26] Yeah.
[2128.26 --> 2129.56] That's the origin of the name, by the way.
[2129.64 --> 2132.10] That word Nebu is quite unusual.
[2132.10 --> 2139.64] So Nebu is – it was some god of the wisdom in some – somewhere in some religion or language.
[2141.28 --> 2142.84] And so then we had, like, the word –
[2142.84 --> 2143.06] Yeah.
[2143.56 --> 2143.82] Okay.
[2144.16 --> 2144.90] I like it.
[2145.14 --> 2148.12] And then we also have the URL nabu.kasa, right?
[2148.12 --> 2150.88] Because that actually – we kind of set it on Nabu.
[2150.96 --> 2153.46] And then I was looking at domains and all of a sudden I said Nabu Kasa.
[2153.56 --> 2154.86] And I was like, that's it.
[2155.38 --> 2157.80] So it essentially comes down to Wise House.
[2158.10 --> 2159.96] Is that – that's great.
[2160.22 --> 2160.60] That is good.
[2160.66 --> 2160.82] Yeah.
[2160.92 --> 2161.94] And now we're waiting.
[2162.12 --> 2166.96] Razer had a smartwatch called Nabu in 2015 or 16 or something.
[2167.38 --> 2169.62] And we're just waiting for their trademark to lapse.
[2170.22 --> 2171.12] Maybe we can –
[2172.26 --> 2175.06] Get a little more mileage out of that name.
[2175.36 --> 2176.20] That's great.
[2176.20 --> 2178.78] I mean, I know lawyers have a reputation.
[2179.04 --> 2183.36] But can you confuse a house automation system and a watch?
[2184.24 --> 2185.72] You know, smartwatches.
[2185.76 --> 2187.70] Smartwatches you can talk to nowadays.
[2189.08 --> 2189.92] And so –
[2189.92 --> 2190.14] Yeah.
[2190.20 --> 2191.58] Who wants to even worry about a fight?
[2191.72 --> 2192.42] Why just – yeah.
[2192.80 --> 2192.96] Yeah.
[2193.60 --> 2196.64] But, boss, thank you so much for joining us and updating it on these things.
[2196.64 --> 2205.44] And also thank you and thanks to the team for making a piece of software that has improved my family's quality of life on a daily basis.