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[1468.60 --> 1468.96] No kidding. |
[1469.42 --> 1469.68] Right. |
[1470.16 --> 1473.22] You know, Paul, I know too, I got to speak up for the van lifers out there. |
[1473.22 --> 1476.96] The Victron Venus system speaks MQTT. |
[1477.64 --> 1483.00] And so I know there's guys out there that are pulling that information into their Home Assistant setup as well. |
[1483.28 --> 1483.40] Yeah. |
[1483.48 --> 1490.78] And so we've really been looking at, or we have, I don't know if you, we tweeted it from the class, tweeted it like two weeks ago, I think. |
[1490.96 --> 1494.18] But he has already, has a lot of paper mockups and he's been like playing. |
[1494.32 --> 1496.76] I think he has interviewed like 20 different people. |
[1497.12 --> 1501.20] And he's been really focusing on, can we kind of gamify it? |
[1501.20 --> 1509.52] Where like, for example, if you know your yesterday's usage and we show your today's usage, can we tell you like, hey, tone it down a little? |
[1509.66 --> 1512.76] Because otherwise you're going to use more than like yesterday. |
[1513.34 --> 1514.36] I've actually had an idea. |
[1514.86 --> 1517.84] A friend of mine, I've just had my first kid, by the way. |
[1517.84 --> 1523.48] A friend of mine was telling me they were doing that automating nap time, a light in the nursery with Home Assistant. |
[1524.30 --> 1528.08] You know, certain times if the light bulb's green, then the kids are allowed out of the room. |
[1528.12 --> 1529.08] And if it's red, they're not. |
[1529.44 --> 1532.94] I'm thinking we could play games with colored light bulbs and children at this point. |
[1533.06 --> 1534.38] That's where my brain's going. |
[1534.90 --> 1535.34] Oh, I do it. |
[1535.42 --> 1535.78] I do it. |
[1535.84 --> 1539.28] That's, you know, I train my kids with a series of light changes at night for bedtime. |
[1539.28 --> 1541.86] And then noisemakers come on throughout the rig. |
[1542.34 --> 1542.96] It's real. |
[1543.36 --> 1543.94] It's brilliant. |
[1543.94 --> 1545.60] I can't wait to play with that. |
[1545.68 --> 1549.94] And gamifying, it feels like that's an idea that could be applied to a lot of things. |
[1550.40 --> 1562.04] As somebody who uses Home Assistant to manage an off-grid setup, I would love something around energy history and a gamification system that would encourage the family to maybe conserve energy. |
[1562.04 --> 1570.64] Because one of the things I did that really encouraged family adoption was we got a fire tablet and we just put Home Assistant up on it all the time. |
[1570.64 --> 1574.26] It's on the wall and it's always there so the kids can see what's going on. |
[1574.32 --> 1577.58] And once I did that, it like it clicked for everybody. |
[1577.70 --> 1582.66] So to get something up on that screen would, man, they just take my off-grid game to like the next level. |
[1583.42 --> 1587.50] Yeah, I think honestly, just getting people inside in it is like step one. |
[1587.58 --> 1593.76] Then all of a sudden they start to realize it's like, oh, I can actually, you know, we can generate more energy than we used today. |
[1593.88 --> 1594.72] Let's go for it. |
[1594.98 --> 1595.16] Right. |
[1595.20 --> 1596.34] I think that's going to be fun. |
[1596.34 --> 1600.18] So my last question, I think, before we let you go is about automations. |
[1600.60 --> 1604.36] This kind of goes back to the turnkey aspect, I suppose, and simplification. |
[1604.78 --> 1611.60] There's been a lot of work around making the YAML automation interface built into Home Assistant easier. |
[1612.40 --> 1616.80] But I always find myself for the more complex things reaching for Node-RED. |
[1616.94 --> 1621.04] And I wondered how you felt about people like me doing that. |
[1621.28 --> 1624.68] Do you want us to all be using YAML all the time or do you not really care? |
[1625.06 --> 1625.84] I don't really care. |
[1625.84 --> 1641.34] In fact, I think it's great that our APIs are so generous that you can get anything out, that you can actually build Node-RED and do a full automation engine without being part of the Home Assistant integrations. |
[1641.74 --> 1644.32] And I think that, you know, each has their own. |
[1644.40 --> 1649.50] And I think because Node-RED exists, we don't have to make a lot of things ourselves, right? |
[1649.50 --> 1654.10] A lot of feature requests that would normally come to us are now, ah, I will just use Node-RED. |
[1654.10 --> 1656.66] And I just saw a pull request. |
[1656.66 --> 1667.60] I mean, I guess it's been like one and a half months ago from the maintainer of the Node-RED Home Assistant integration who makes like the nodes for Node-RED. |
[1668.00 --> 1674.34] And I think he's been working on getting the triggers from the Home Assistant Animation YAML into Node-RED as well. |
[1674.34 --> 1678.28] So we have a lot of triggers that are not very accessible yet. |
[1678.80 --> 1681.82] A lot of advanced triggers that are not accessible in Node-RED yet. |
[1682.48 --> 1690.58] But that would allow Node-RED to use anything that a normal YAML automation can would be possible inside Node-RED, which I think is really cool. |
[1690.58 --> 1695.88] Because all of a sudden it makes Node-RED a lot more powerful or any other automation engine. |
[1696.78 --> 1703.34] And, you know, in the end, one way or the other, if you have like local control, local data, we succeed. |
[1704.06 --> 1704.72] Yeah, I totally agree. |
[1704.72 --> 1709.34] And I think my number of input booleans could use some spring cleaning. |
[1709.52 --> 1711.02] So I'm happy to hear that. |
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[1814.40 --> 1822.18] So, I mean, if you buy a Chromecast or whatever, then sometimes you have to, like, connect to an access point and then, like, your phone. |
[1822.28 --> 1826.96] And then sometimes it crashes and you're, like, lost and you don't know how to set up the Wi-Fi. |
[1827.26 --> 1831.70] So we're building a Bluetooth spec that is going to be built into ESP Home. |
[1831.92 --> 1833.52] It's going to be built into the Home Assistant app. |
[1833.66 --> 1839.80] So if you buy it, well, I mean, eventually we hope you're going to be able to buy ESP Home products. |
[1839.80 --> 1845.62] But if you build an ESP Home product and you give it to your friend, they would just be able to go on with Bluetooth. |
[1845.92 --> 1847.48] And we even have a web Bluetooth SDK. |
[1847.68 --> 1850.86] So you can use, like, a Chrome browser to actually just set it up. |
[1851.76 --> 1852.88] Oh, that is cool. |
[1853.52 --> 1853.80] Yeah. |
[1853.82 --> 1854.24] I like that. |
[1854.40 --> 1854.68] Right? |
[1854.84 --> 1860.48] And, I mean, I think I really want, like, you know, they're, like, on Tindy, people are selling their creations. |
[1860.74 --> 1863.94] I just want, like, more of that because those products are way cooler. |
[1863.94 --> 1874.18] Or, like, it's just, like, you know, we had the tech reader last year and there's, like, actually for the energy meters in the Netherlands, they actually have a protocol called P1. |
[1874.56 --> 1882.88] And we're going to have an ESP Home-based device somebody's building that, like, you know, people can just plug it in and, boom, all the energy data is available in Home Assistant. |
[1883.48 --> 1884.38] I'm sure you do. |
[1884.38 --> 1890.28] But do you realize just how perfectly positioned you are to uniquely so to do this? |
[1890.96 --> 1891.74] No, yeah, definitely. |
[1891.98 --> 1892.26] Definitely. |
[1892.26 --> 1900.36] It's because, you know, ESP Home, like, we acquired it mainly because, like, the original founder was, like, burned out. |
[1900.64 --> 1903.48] But he was still getting, like, all these donations, right? |
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