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[1589.22 --> 1590.52] or support or something on it. |
[1591.18 --> 1592.42] Yeah, there seems to be several features |
[1592.42 --> 1593.94] that are in the Portainer |
[1593.94 --> 1595.42] business only edition. |
[1595.82 --> 1597.38] But yeah, they have a community one |
[1597.38 --> 1598.90] that does allow unlimited nodes. |
[1599.42 --> 1601.84] I think I'm still biased against them |
[1601.84 --> 1603.36] because in the very early days |
[1603.36 --> 1604.48] of Linux server.io, |
[1604.80 --> 1606.56] I reached out to these guys and said, |
[1606.64 --> 1608.20] hey, you've got a whole bunch of templates. |
[1608.64 --> 1610.58] Why don't you feature our templates |
[1610.58 --> 1612.90] on your like template store thing? |
[1613.62 --> 1615.00] And eventually we worked with them |
[1615.00 --> 1617.28] and got the Linux server containers |
[1617.28 --> 1620.88] to show up in their official template store. |
[1621.62 --> 1623.66] And then they just went dead on us. |
[1623.72 --> 1624.88] They just went quiet on us |
[1624.88 --> 1626.36] for no real reason |
[1626.36 --> 1627.46] that I could ever discern |
[1627.46 --> 1630.30] and just quietly dropped support |
[1630.30 --> 1631.18] for all of our templates |
[1631.18 --> 1632.18] without telling us anything. |
[1632.46 --> 1635.18] So I wasn't best pleased with them after that. |
[1635.18 --> 1638.44] And after a project or a company |
[1638.44 --> 1640.42] does something to burn you a bit like that, |
[1640.84 --> 1642.18] you know, they've got to go a long way |
[1642.18 --> 1644.96] to restore the goodwill and good faith. |
[1645.06 --> 1646.12] And for me, |
[1646.34 --> 1649.32] I don't necessarily find a huge amount of value |
[1649.32 --> 1651.04] in a Docker GUI anyway, |
[1651.34 --> 1653.50] because Compose does everything |
[1653.50 --> 1655.00] that I need to and some. |
[1655.86 --> 1657.68] Maybe that's just making me out |
[1657.68 --> 1661.06] to be a bit of a curmudgeon troglodyte. |
[1661.06 --> 1661.74] So I don't know. |
[1663.52 --> 1664.60] Old man Alex. |
[1664.92 --> 1665.68] Yeah, maybe. |
[1666.06 --> 1666.58] But, you know, |
[1667.24 --> 1668.06] at the end of the day, |
[1668.22 --> 1670.40] all it's doing is adding complexity, |
[1670.76 --> 1670.94] you know, |
[1671.00 --> 1672.36] and this is true for a lot of GUIs, |
[1672.48 --> 1672.60] you know, |
[1672.68 --> 1673.46] Unraid is one of them. |
[1673.58 --> 1674.56] True Now Scale is another. |
[1675.34 --> 1676.34] Open Media Vault, |
[1676.52 --> 1677.12] Portainer, |
[1677.48 --> 1678.62] a lot of these things |
[1678.62 --> 1680.36] that you can use |
[1680.36 --> 1682.46] to self-host different services, |
[1683.24 --> 1684.16] you've got to learn |
[1684.16 --> 1686.32] their specific quirks |
[1686.32 --> 1687.40] and incantations |
[1687.40 --> 1688.96] of how that particular developer |
[1688.96 --> 1690.66] expected you to go through |
[1690.66 --> 1692.26] their particular UX flow. |
[1693.60 --> 1695.04] And if you don't follow that, |
[1695.14 --> 1696.36] you can very quickly end up |
[1696.36 --> 1697.56] in a situation where, |
[1697.74 --> 1698.04] oh, well, |
[1698.04 --> 1699.32] you should have just clicked this, |
[1699.40 --> 1700.36] you should have just checked, |
[1700.46 --> 1701.28] or you could have, |
[1702.20 --> 1703.42] well, I didn't, okay? |
[1703.80 --> 1704.86] And now it doesn't work. |
[1705.16 --> 1706.96] So, you know, |
[1706.96 --> 1707.72] the other angle is |
[1707.72 --> 1708.90] it's not repeatable. |
[1710.12 --> 1711.52] So this is what I was going to ask you. |
[1711.58 --> 1711.78] It's like, |
[1711.82 --> 1712.86] aren't we kind of solving |
[1712.86 --> 1714.54] the wrong problem here with this? |
[1714.54 --> 1715.10] I mean, |
[1715.14 --> 1716.36] it's not to give you an opportunity |
[1716.36 --> 1717.62] for an Ansible rant, |
[1717.98 --> 1720.62] but shouldn't we be solving this |
[1720.62 --> 1721.66] from a different direction? |
[1722.78 --> 1723.70] Yeah, it's a solution |
[1723.70 --> 1724.54] looking for a problem. |
[1724.66 --> 1725.26] It really is. |
[1725.66 --> 1728.24] And you should have, |
[1728.42 --> 1729.02] and this is, |
[1729.42 --> 1730.18] I'm just going to go |
[1730.18 --> 1731.16] in the closet over there |
[1731.16 --> 1732.02] and get my soapbox. |
[1733.18 --> 1734.26] You should have |
[1734.26 --> 1736.10] all of your container definitions |
[1736.10 --> 1739.42] in a source control repository, |
[1739.72 --> 1741.46] some kind of version controlled |
[1741.46 --> 1742.68] Git repository, |
[1742.96 --> 1743.52] to be honest. |
[1744.54 --> 1745.76] There is no real reason why, |
[1745.86 --> 1747.30] even if all you're doing |
[1747.30 --> 1748.64] is just copy and pasting |
[1748.64 --> 1750.30] your Docker Compose file |
[1750.30 --> 1752.00] from your system |
[1752.00 --> 1753.12] that you manually go in |
[1753.12 --> 1754.76] and edit once a week, |
[1754.82 --> 1755.36] once a month, |
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