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[280.28 → 287.24] You could spend that time mining crypto, or you could spend that time learning job skills and getting hired. |
[287.62 → 297.32] But, you know, I think maybe you and I are thinking about off-grid and backup power today because a lot of our listener services are down and offline as we record this right now. |
[297.74 → 298.08] That's right. |
[298.18 → 298.30] Yeah. |
[298.46 → 304.60] OVH, one of the largest VPS providers in Europe, have suffered a major fire this week. |
[304.60 → 316.64] And it's taken, literally taken out one of their data centres and had dramatic effects on some of their other regions, data centres, whatever they called for OVH as well. |
[317.36 → 319.42] It's just got me thinking, great. |
[319.62 → 322.16] There's another disaster that I hadn't really thought about. |
[322.24 → 325.50] What if AWS or DigitalOcean or Linde, what if they catch fire? |
[325.50 → 327.68] Oh, that's another one to plan for. |
[329.12 → 335.40] Yeah, the thing that's tricky about OVH is data centres one through four were all kind of like in the same area. |
[335.84 → 341.86] So after midnight on the Wednesday of the week we're recording this, OVH cloud had an alarm go off. |
[342.24 → 344.82] The cause as of this recording right now is still unknown. |
[344.82 → 350.16] However, the founder and CEO speculated it may have been a UPS fire. |
[350.34 → 358.90] And he noted in a video update that he released a couple of days ago that UPS number seven had been serviced earlier that day. |
[358.98 → 361.70] But obviously more investigation is required. |
[362.02 → 366.38] In total, OVH had four data centres in this area and one data centre. |
[366.78 → 370.76] SBG two was just totally destroyed by fire. |
[370.76 → 375.40] And then part of SBG one was also damaged. |
[375.54 → 378.22] And then SBG three and four, they're fine. |
[378.40 → 383.44] But as we record, there are still some outages because there are some areas the staff can't get to. |
[383.52 → 384.68] There's network issue. |
[384.94 → 386.64] There are still some power issues. |
[386.64 → 392.56] And there's even the fact that they still have to validate that the cooling system is still fully functional. |
[392.90 → 394.56] It's like bad, Alex. |
[394.56 → 406.88] This is a weird one to me because every data centre that I've worked near or in some occasions, they've all had argon fire suppressant systems. |
[406.88 → 414.92] And just fire was something that you kind of assumed would never get out of control in a data centre because it's a controlled environment. |
[415.42 → 419.56] There isn't a huge amount of flammable stuff like on a data centre floor. |
[419.86 → 423.44] It's just metal boxes with some cables and stuff like that, essentially. |
[423.44 → 424.04] Yeah. |
[424.28 → 426.98] So it's kind of surprising to me that it was able to get to this level. |
[427.10 → 432.44] I mean, if you look at some of the pictures, and we've got a Reuters article linked in the show notes, that building was toast. |
[433.20 → 433.54] Yeah. |
[433.58 → 442.84] The CEO says something about it using older style construction techniques and that the newer buildings that weren't damaged were using the newer style. |
[443.04 → 447.78] I wonder if that style is fire suppression, you know. |
[447.96 → 448.60] Yeah, maybe. |
[448.92 → 450.30] Or materials or something. |
[450.30 → 454.94] But it kind of got us thinking like, you know, we got kind of a sad note in from listener. |
[455.04 → 458.62] Kerry said, my server was in data centre one and I have lost it. |
[458.68 → 467.80] I'm afraid I didn't have any complete backups because I didn't really have anywhere to back up to that server already blew my personal self-hosting budget. |
[468.46 → 470.88] I feel like I've lost a loved one. |
[471.52 → 474.44] I guess I'll get a box at home, and I'll have to back up to that from now on. |
[474.44 → 476.64] But that's going to get very expensive. |
[477.42 → 478.12] That is tricky. |
[478.12 → 479.08] Well, it is. |
[479.40 → 480.82] It is going to get expensive. |
[481.40 → 486.62] But I would argue that the emotions you're feeling right now are also expensive. |
[487.18 → 491.48] Just in a, you know, not dollars and cents necessarily, but they're expensive in a different way emotionally. |
[492.50 → 496.44] And only you can quantify how much your data is worth. |
[496.44 → 504.78] I mean, I don't know what was on this particular server for you, Kerry, but I certainly know in the past when I've lost data, it hurts. |
[505.20 → 516.68] Genuinely, you spend the next few weeks, months, sometimes longer wishing you'd done things differently, thinking, oh, if only I'd spent a couple of hundreds on a Pi and an external hard drive. |
[516.68 → 519.30] And I wouldn't even be in this situation. |
[520.56 → 530.24] I mean, if you think about what most typical VPSs are, they are probably less than a hundred gig disk, probably only a few gigabytes of RAM or something like that. |
[530.32 → 533.84] So we aren't talking about a huge amount of data to back up here. |
[534.32 → 541.80] And what I would say is if you've got no backup, I mean, literally zero, don't try and aim for perfect. |
[541.80 → 553.66] Just get a 128 gig USB stick off Amazon and then just get in the habit of downloading your data once a month, once a year even. |
[553.94 → 559.84] Because I'm sure right now you wish you'd had something, even if it was 11 months old, you'd have something. |
[559.84 → 571.82] Something I've seen really common is a lot of people these days, when they have cheap cloud hosting, they're going for like a NFC with a disk hanging off it or something that they're syncing too locally. |
[572.04 → 576.72] And getting that peace of mind by having the data on their local network. |
[576.72 → 583.72] And I got to admit, it's kind of what I did for the Jupyter Broadcasting stuff is we have Nextcloud up at Linde. |
[583.88 → 589.82] And then we have Nextcloud installed on the server at the Jupyter Broadcasting Studio on the LAN. |
[590.22 → 593.48] And we sync the stuff that I really care about. |
[593.58 → 596.02] We don't sync everything because it's hundreds of gigs. |
[596.32 → 600.42] But locally, we actually will also archive. |
[600.62 → 603.88] So I should probably back up the studio server now that I think about it. |
[603.88 → 609.10] But we back up the cloud locally to anything that's not ephemeral. |
[609.36 → 611.22] And anything that's not ephemeral, we try to keep locally. |
[611.46 → 615.14] And then my intention is to back that server up somewhere. |
[616.00 → 618.70] Alex's house, Back blaze, I don't know what. |
[618.88 → 620.86] But I've got the cloud part covered. |
[621.16 → 623.98] I just don't necessarily have the local part fully covered right now. |
[624.18 → 629.94] Because I ended up, and this is sort of where I connected with what Carrie was saying, is I just ended up with terabytes of data. |
[630.60 → 630.92] Terabytes. |
[630.92 → 634.66] And I don't know, I don't really know how to even get that offsite over the wire. |
[634.76 → 635.32] It's so much data. |
[636.14 → 644.08] Never underestimate, I think the saying goes, the bandwidth of a truck driving down a highway full of hard drives. |
[644.74 → 646.72] Get it on a hard drive and mail it to me. |
[646.82 → 647.72] That's the best way. |
[647.94 → 652.04] What you're saying is I should pack up the RV and drive a hard drive down to your place. |
[652.62 → 653.90] That makes the most sense, right? |
[653.94 → 654.76] You can if you want. |
[654.92 → 656.50] $3,000 backup trip. |
[656.50 → 660.78] But, you know, so that's something we all struggle with. |
[660.78 → 670.00] But you remember when we went and saw Wendell, how he was implementing at his data centre on his LAN, he was backing up his place was nuts. |
[670.12 → 670.24] Yeah. |
[670.30 → 675.38] And he was backing up his client's cloud data for them to his servers, just in case their cloud providers had issues. |
[676.10 → 681.28] It's something you do kind of have to think about is when I'm building something, what is the risk to losing this? |
[681.28 → 688.70] Like there are some things I have on the cloud that if they were lost, it'd be inconvenient, but we could regenerate from source material. |
[689.68 → 690.50] Not everything. |
[690.92 → 691.00] Yeah. |
[691.16 → 698.28] It is about evaluating the I don't want to say like opportunity cost or whatever, but everything has a cost. |
[698.82 → 702.76] And, you know, photos, for example, are irreplaceable. |
[702.98 → 705.28] You can't recreate those moments, videos, whatever. |
[705.28 → 717.66] But, you know, a PDF with an invoice for some work you did 10 years ago, maybe that, okay, it might be nice to have it, but that's all just nice. |
[717.66 → 738.84] But, you know, the cost of a one-time backup offsite to a pen drive or something like that is so small compared to the amount, just the amount of time you're going to spend noodling after you've lost some data whilst you reconstruct what was actually on that file system and remember, oh yeah, that was... |
[738.90 → 739.82] I lost that too. |
[740.06 → 743.40] And some of that stuff won't occur to you until years later. |
[743.82 → 744.40] That's very true. |
[744.40 → 749.28] And it feels so, you just feel like you've, like somebody's cut a hole out of you sometimes. |
[749.64 → 759.40] And I think that, especially when it comes to the pictures, I have opted to leave on for the iPhone members of my family our iCloud photo backup for everybody. |
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