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**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I don't want them to treat us differently either.
**Jerod Santo:** ...my ShipIt-28.mp3 hasn't changed, it's not going to change. It's never going to change. It’s never going to change.
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[28:07\] Right. We know it's never going to change. So, just keep them.
**Gerhard Lazu:** I will not name any names, the people that I reached out that I knew within Fastly, but if a listener knows someone within Fastly that wants to have this conversation, I would love to do that improvement... Because Honeycomb - this new integration showed us how much can improve within the CDN. And we ...
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right.
**Jerod Santo:** For me, imposter syndrome sets in when I think "Surely, we're holding it wrong." You know, like the Steve Jobs response to the antenna on the iPhone 4 is "You're holding it wrong."
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yes.
**Jerod Santo:** I feel like we're just not using Fastly right...
**Adam Stacoviak:** All these years.
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, I understand how to set HTTP headers, and we use e-tags, and we set cache control, we've tweaked some stuff, but I just feel like we're not using it right for some reason, and that's why part of me is just wondering... That's where I like the toiling away, like "Well, how many times can we twea...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah. So I'm surprised when content that should be cached for -- now that I think of it, some of it is even cached like for a whole year. The stuff that we know is not going to change. And that content is being requested, even though it was requested before, and it's requested again, and it hasn't pas...
**Jerod Santo:** Right. I mean, our old episodes, the long tail of listens on our shows is bewilderingly awesome. Like, you go back to a show and you're like, "Wow, 33 people listened to this today", and it's four years old. Every day, our MP3s are being requested, pretty much all of them, plus or minus some outliers. ...
**Adam Stacoviak:** Especially, I mean, given -- it'd be different if our content was highly volatile in terms of change. We're a media company, the things we create are long-term artifacts, so just by nature of the business we're bringing, like the character type we are, the persona, so to speak even, we know that the...
I think we've changed like an episode, just to go back and update... We call it a remastering, and we were doing that for a bit. We were remastering some of these shows Jerod was talking about, that had high degrees of listens, that are several years old. So rather than having that listener go back and listen to an old...
**Jerod Santo:** But we can also programmatically purge endpoints from Fastly by way of our system. It'd be easier to code that up. I just don't -- I've never done it, because I feel like it keeps purging anyways. And every once a while, I'll hop in there and just purge one manually. Especially if it’s released...
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm with you, Jerod. I feel like we're holding it wrong. I do. I feel -- I don't know why we're holding it wrong. It seems like the logical way a CDN should work is the way we think it does work... Yet we are holding it seemingly wrong.
\[32:12\] So yeah, listeners, if you're out there, if you know somebody at Fastly who knows more than we do... We have connections in there, but we've hit certain dead-ends on that front... But we'd love to have some help... Like, Fastly, come on this show. Come on YouTube with Gerhard and triage how we use our CDN and...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Over the years, we've had some epic support threads with Fastly. Epic. Some of them have not been solved.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Unsolved mysteries.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Many unsolved mysteries when it comes to Fastly.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Just hold it right, please.
**Gerhard Lazu:** I'm looking... So I think we're holding it right, but I think there's stuff happening within Fastly which we don't fully understand.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. And maybe that's just how it works. It doesn't make sense why it is that way. So if it works that way and that's how it does work, that seems odd, given the reason you'd use a CDN.
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think we can Kaizen Fastly. I think that's what you're getting to.
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Because in the last 24 hours, we had 3,000 misses on MP3 files. This is in the last 24 hours.
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's incredible.
**Jerod Santo:** It doesn't make sense.
**Gerhard Lazu:** It doesn't make sense. Exactly.
**Adam Stacoviak:** The whole reason we engaged with Fastly in the origin, before we got to what we could do application-wise, was to deliver our MP3s globally, fast, forever. So to have 1,000 misses in the last 24 hours is egregious.
**Gerhard Lazu:** 3,000.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Especially--
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's crazy. I agree with you.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Triple that. 3x that. Because if we can have one pop -- so let's just say it’s a size requirement. Too much data, forever... Okay, sure. We have to purge somewhere. Fine. Then have one pop be the canonical. That one is forever. And then you can miss somewhere else and pull from your own pop fast, no...
**Jerod Santo:** Well, we shield through LaGuardia, so we should have that. LaGuardia should have it, if Hong Kong doesn't. **Gerhard Lazu:** Exactly, yeah.
**Jerod Santo:** So I'm not super-clear if that still shows up as a miss, if Hong Kong misses but grabs it from LaGuardia, and it doesn't grab it from us. Gerhard, you know the difference? But—
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah... So I'm not sure, but that's something worth digging into. This is exactly—
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. Let’s solve this mystery.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Exactly. How does this stuff work within Fastly? This is the first time we could have a really good conversation about this, because of this integration.
**Adam Stacoviak:** We have data now. We have wisdom. Before, we had assumption. Now we have like, "Look, here's Honeycomb."
**Gerhard Lazu:** Facts. Hard facts.
**Adam Stacoviak:** "This is where it goes. This is how it works." Yeah.
**Gerhard Lazu:** It’s amazing.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Even asking for support makes it so much harder, when you have no visibility into what's going on. Now we do, so we are armed with more data to support ourselves differently in our argument back like why things are not working the way they should be, or how we think it should be.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah.
**Break:** \[35:19\]
**Adam Stacoviak:** So Jerod and I got some brand new computers recently, brand new M1 Macs, and like any new Mac, you take your sweet time setting it up... And in my case, Jerod, you may concur with your case, I'm doing it all manually. I'm not scripting anything this time, I want to take my time... Because the M1 Mac...
**Jerod Santo:** I have not set it up yet, because I haven't needed to. I still have my old laptop right here, that I can use. I would not use Docker, because I didn't use Docker last time.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay.
**Jerod Santo:** I would set it all up individually. But maybe I'd even just procrastinate until we're on Codespaces. What do you think, Gerhard?