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**Gerhard Lazu:** That's exactly what I'm thinking. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It’s even better. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That’s exactly what I’m thinking. The reason why— |
**Jerod Santo:** I don’t even want to set it up if I don't have to. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Exactly. I uninstalled Docker about six months ago, or four months ago, something like that, and it's not coming back on my machine, or any other machine, like my local machine... However, I'm running Docker on Linux, on a Linux server in Linode, which is my development machine. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is that right? |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's right. So what we want is GitHub Codespaces, where we can run our own infrastructure. So rather than using the Azure VMs, which is what runs GitHub Codespaces, we want to be running our own, whether it's Linode, or - and this is where the big one comes in - Equinix Metal. |
**Jerod Santo:** I don’t think they’ll go there, will they? GitHub. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Well, no, they won't, but like, can they allow people to use, like -- you know, as you can run your own GitHub runners with the GitHub Actions... So you should be able to run your own hardware, wherever it is, with GitHub Codespaces. I think it's a natural next step. Because whatever needs -- because ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[40:18\] So I guess then— |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Or it will be when I’m finished with it. |
**Jerod Santo:** It’s all rainbows and— |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Isn't the thing with GitHub Codespaces that is their -- like, their thing is their infrastructure, so their VMs, their hardware, and it's optimized... Obviously, it's probably Azure-backed, considering their parent company, etc. But isn't that what they sell? Are they selling the agnostic route to d... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Not currently— |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...Codespaces, which is hosted by them, right? |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. It seems like it's natural for us to want that, but it doesn't seem natural for GitHub to want to offer that. So maybe it's like a Cloudspaces alternative which is genericized, is the answer. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So there’s GitPod, I’m aware of that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yes, right. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** There's Tilde.dev as well. There's a couple like that... But what I really want to do, having listened to the GitHub Codespaces episode on the Changelog (I forget the number), I tweeted Cory, like, "Hey, we should talk." He said, "Yeah, sure. Email me", and I didn't have time to follow up on that emai... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So if GitHub wants to sponsor Changelog with the GitHub Codespaces, we'll be more than happy to use it, and help it improve. But my first go-to would be what I know, right? Like, bare-metal servers somewhere, or Linodes, or wherever, spin them up... And that's where Crossplane comes in. There's like a... |
So there's like a couple of things coming together, which make me really excited, and which I think setting anything locally for development - it is a time sink, and should have environments which are pre-built for development in an automated way, and you just click a button and you have it. And when you're finished wi... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** My main issue has always been -- I manage Homebrew, I upgrade some things in there. I don't want to specifically upgrade particular things, so I say ‘upgrade all’ essentially, or just ‘brew upgrade’ after update, and next thing you know, Postgres is updated to the latest and my Postgres is broken...... |
Because my local hackery things that aren't really connected to a dev environment shouldn't overlap with my actual dev environment for the application. I'm kind of in that weird space where it's like my truck - I have a gas-guzzling Ford F-150. I love the new EV F-150, the Lightning coming out. I want to buy a new truc... |
\[43:49\] So I don't want to spin up my own dev environment. I want to use Codespaces, or some prescribed dev space that I don't have to worry about, that's always just fresh... Because I’m me, my identity is me, you know my trustworthiness, or the application should, or our config should, so I can then get access to a... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So I'm thinking of the GitHub Codespaces experience, but maybe not necessarily running on Azure as it is today. But I'm not suggesting that we should all set up some bare-metal servers. No way. It's an approach that our contributors should be able to use as well. And you're right, identity should be b... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I would say short term answer would be "Can we get sit up on Codespaces in their current blessed way?" and hope for a future where they have a more infinitely configurable version that's for the ways you want to use it. So I'd say let's re-engage with Cory and GitHub on that front. I know they’re wi... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Amazing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So I'd say let's use it the way they want us to use it currently, get going that way, and then whenever it needs to scale in different ways, then it can. Or you can use GitPod to do it your own way with Equinix Metal, because that's what GitPod does, right? GitPod lets you be anywhere; they're agnos... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I'm happy if the Changelog.org would have this capability, if GitHub Codespaces was part of the Changelog.org, and we could use it out of the box. I think that would be amazing, right? So if we can contribute to that, and we can make sure that anyone wanting to contribute that the Changelog app, we co... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm going to hold on to that. I’m not going to set it up locally. I’m going to wait -- I’m going to wait for my Christmas gift, which is Codespaces wrapped in a bow. |
**Jerod Santo:** The challenge with this path being short-term is that Gerhard is the most organized podcaster in the universe, and he's scheduled it into March and April. \[laughter\] So that doesn’t sound very short-term to me. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I’ll need to make room. I'll need to -- I don't know, someone cancel an interview, maybe... \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, here's what can happen... Honestly, behind the scenes, what happens is you may plan that way, but you have got to plan for a buffer; even if you have it planned out, there's always a -- Jerod and I have done this, too. We've had it planned up several weeks to a month, and something happens, and ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And so because you get to run the show, you can make those calls. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Just because you're setting that motion. Now, if you've made a promise or whatever, reach back out to them and say, "Hey, I'm sorry. We've got a timely episode coming out. I need to bump you back one week." They're probably not going be upset. And if they are, give them a free T-shirt, or whatever i... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** How do you do that? I don't know how to give them a free T-shirt. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You tell me or Jerod. |
**Jerod Santo:** We'll talk offline. We'll talk offline. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Alright. Okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's too easy. And we'll make it happen. It’s too easy. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. It's amazing, what a free T-shirt will do... \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes. We love our listeners, and we love our guests just as much, if not more... So if ever we have to apologize, we’ll do it with very sweet kindness. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Alright. GitHub Codespaces in December, here I come. |
**Jerod Santo:** There you go. Let's make happen. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Let’s make it happen. |
**Jerod Santo:** Christmas is coming early. Or right on time. So I think the actual short-term solution is brew install Elixir, brew install Postgres, clone the repo... |
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