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**Oleg Nenashev:** And there is test automation for both unit tests and the integration tests there. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Thank you. I'll definitely check that out, and I'll also include it in the show notes. Cyrille? |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** Listening to you, it reminds me something that I saw when I was working on continuous delivery/continuous integration, when I was project manager at CloudBees two years ago... It's the importance of standardization of the processes. We should manage the CI/CD pipelines of applications of microserv... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Speaking about important things... Dan Lawrence was saying this: "Your build system should be at least as secure as your production environment." What do you think about that, Cyrille? |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** Yes, so we have seen it last year with the supply chain attacks that have been visible... It's also something for which we are thinking about on the OpenTelemetry instrumentation of the continuous delivery pipelines, where we see the importance of capturing all the trails of the CD processes, incl... |
So this is what comes to my mind... And then there are other requirements for the CI/CD companies, but I am less involved in this at the moment. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[50:13\] How do you think about supply chain security within the CI/CD space, Oleg? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** I definitely support this topic. It's very important. When SolarWinds was announced one year ago, we actually had a Jenkins governance board meeting, and then a discussion at the contributors summit, and we decided to prioritize supply chain security as one of the major topics for this year for the J... |
If you have seen that, there are a lot of activities on this front, for example dependency updates... We have invested quite a lot in tooling, in dependencies scanning, in bills of materials, so currently we can produce BOMs for components, if needed... And indeed, this is important. And it's important for us, because ... |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** Something that comes to my mind here is that I touched when I was working on CI, and that I see also now that I work on observability - it's the importance of capturing the right information in the bill of materials, and I think it's also an incremental journey. First you build on your Docker envi... |
So I think there is an incremental journey. It's a continuous exercise to verify that the data you capture in your build are good enough to understand what actually happened. You mentioned the usage of cache system, do I capture all the details to understand what artifact was retrieved from my caching system? Have I be... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Is Captain Obvious involved in any of this, Oleg? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Yes and no, because I'm currently building a prototype which integrates Jenkins, OpenTelemetry and Captain... But for me, the main objective is to actually expose more information about quality gates, so when we deliver software, we can verify that all items are basically delivered that meet all matc... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** How can we follow up on what Captain is up to these days? Captain Obvious, specifically... |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Well, Captain Obvious - it was just a sneak peek into my talk, which is coming soon... And yes, it's talk driven developement because I needed to implement a few \[unintelligible 00:53:14.27\] So stay tuned. There might be an announcement in a few months. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Captain itself is basically a project, a member of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation; it's currently a sandbox project, and there are discussions about making it an incubating project. It has a quite vibrant community, there are meetings every week, including today, developer or user meetings. So... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's a good shout-out. Okay. So there's a question that I've been dying to ask since we began this recording. What made you move to Switzerland, Oleg? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** I moved to Switzerland because CloudBees is based there. Actually, I joined CloudBees when I was in Russia, but due to various non-technical reasons, it was more reasonable to have me in Switzerland than in Russia... And yeah, I got an opportunity, and Switzerland is a nice country... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Right. |
**Oleg Nenashev:** \[54:09\] For the record, I'm a big fan of Scandinavia, but Switzerland is good, and why not. I moved there. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** How long have you been in Switzerland? How long have you been living there? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Five and a half years. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So that's a long time to really appreciate the country... Unlike six months, and it's like the honeymoon period. Okay... |
**Oleg Nenashev:** I like this country, and I like the city where I am, because I'm in the French-speaking part, and there are a lot of advantages here. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Which city are you in Switzerland? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Neuchâtel. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think one of the advantages was you not needing a car, right? And you being very excited about that, where the public transport is really good. Okay... So as we are preparing to wrap this up, I'm wondering what is the most important takeaway for our listeners, Cyrille? |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** Thank you. The most important takeaway for me is the importance of the open source and standard nature of OpenTelemetry to succeed, to observe CI/CD pipelines, both to succeed in instrumenting these very rich communities of tools involved in the CD processes, and also communities that will consume... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. That's a good one. What about you, Oleg? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** I totally support this statement. Data is the new oil, and it applies everywhere, including the CI/CD world. Actually, you can use this data and not just analyze it and optimize your pipelines, but also to make decisions... Because the same approach is artificial intelligence etc. They apply not only... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** The thing which gets me really excited is that regardless what system you're using, as long as you emit OpenTelemetry events, you can get the same view, even when you switch between systems. That gets me really excited, because then you're free to mix and match... It doesn't really matter, just pick t... |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Yeah, it's exciting. |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** And when you operate with multiple systems in parallel, which is what happens in the real life of not small organizations or large organizations. |
**Oleg Nenashev:** I'm looking forward to lay the foundations and various working groups to start working on specific standards for OpenTelemetry, so that they actually standardize the events. Because right now it's still an open question. So it's a very idealistic view that every CI system exposes the same events, the... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Oh, yes. |
**Oleg Nenashev:** But for OpenTelemetry, I would like to see that as well. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's a good point. You're right. It's still very early days. As you mentioned, this whole new ecosystem is still very young. It only just started maybe a year ago, two years ago... It's very recent anyways. |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Yeah, it's just a sandbox project in CNCF these days... But I hope that it will become incubating very soon, because the adoption for OpenTelemetry is already massive, and there are so many players in this space... So from my point of view, it's totally justified that it's transferred to incubating. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Is there anything coming in the next six months that you want to share with us, Cyrille? |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** We have just donated the OpenTelemetry Maven integration to the OpenTelemetry community... So it's moving fast, and we get feedback, and we are progressing faster. It's great. The OpenTelemetry Ansible integration - we have donated the Ansible integration to the Ansible community itself. We are it... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Oleg, what about you? |
**Oleg Nenashev:** It's kind of public, I'm changing jobs... I still cannot announce what's the next one, but be sure it will be quite interesting; it's around open source, it's around observability as well, and I will definitely keep working with Cyrille and many other contributors in this area. Looking forward to it.... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Well, this has been a great discussion. Thank you very much. There's so many things I need to check up on now, all very exciting things, and I look forward to what happens in six months in this space, because it's really interesting it just ties so many things together. I'm very excited. Thank you ver... |
**Cyrille Le Clerc:** Thank you very much. |
**Oleg Nenashev:** Thank you. |
• Introduction to Ship It podcast and its focus on code, ops, infrastructure, and people |
• Guests Cyril Leclerc (Product Manager at Elastic) and Oleg Dinashev (Principal Engineer at Cloudbeast) |
• Akihiro Kiuchi's project on Jenkins Monitoring with OpenTelemetry in the context of Google's Summer of Code |
• Importance of open telemetry in CI environments for visibility, monitoring, and cost-effectiveness |
• Discussion of tracing agents, not just the Jenkins master, to gain visibility into job execution and agent availability |
• Breakdown of job duration and tracking time spent on build allocation |
• Visibility in CI/CD steps and allocation of build agents was limited |
• AkiHero aimed to complement existing traces with detailed visibility on agent allocation and communication |
• Importance of open telemetry in CI/CD systems for unified observability |
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