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**Dave Farley:** Don't trust me either. Try it out. \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Try it out, yeah. That's the best one. And "What's wrong with the state of DevOps?" That's the one that I want to watch again, because that's another very good video. We don't have time to talk about the specifics, but if anything, I feel like we should have another interview. We're just finishing thi... |
Right now, you had like 53,000 subscribers, or 54,000. That was yesterday, by the way. It changes day to day. So let's see how many subscribers you'll have next time. When I started watching, you had like 5,000, 6,000, and then it just exploded. So yeah, the response has been positive. I hope you're pleased with it, be... |
**Dave Farley:** Yeah. Well, it doesn't compensate for the bad things... But it's been a lot of fun, and a lot of pleasure out of making the videos, but also engaging in the comments and talking to people about ideas, which is fantastic. It's all that any of us can do. |
I'm interested in your selection. They weren't the ones that I expected, to be honest... They're not the most popular ones on the channel, some of the ones that you've mentioned... But they are ones that I like. I was slightly disappointed by the take-up of the SpaceX video, because I thought that was a good video. I l... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Based on what I was saying earlier - I was saying that some of the things that you share, I don't think people realize how valuable they are until maybe a few months or even years later... And I think it depends on experience, it depends on what you value. But I see, for example - SpaceX is such an im... |
**Dave Farley:** Oh, last week's, of course. \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Last week's, okay. That was a good one. It's "How to build--" No, that was this week's. Which one was last week's? |
**Dave Farley:** I just made always last week's. \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Oh, I see. Okay. |
**Dave Farley:** No, there are some that I'm proud of. The early ones - I think there were some good ideas in the early ones, but my editing skills have improved significantly, and my equipment has improved a bit. It's still not very professional, but it's good enough now that it's not gonna make people run away scream... |
I liked the SpaceX one. The microservices video in which I talk about the problem with microservices is a good video... I was pleased with last week's video, which was "CI is better than feature branching", which is just talking mess in informational... So I'm trying not to do it in an emotional way. I'm trying to do i... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think that's a very good thought to end on, because it's a very profound one. I think people need to think about that. The simplicity in complexity, that I think everybody should strive to look for. Martin Thompson - I think he was a bit of an inspiration there as well. So keep improving, be wrong. ... |
Check out David's YouTube channel, it's really good. It will be worth your time, trust me. And Dave, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much for making the time, and I'm looking forward to the next one. Thank you. |
**Dave Farley:** Great. Thank you very much. It's been fun. |
• Recap of Gerhard Lazu's 2019 talk on making systems observable |
• Discussion about DevOps Days Zurich 2021, including organization and logistics |
• Overview of the event's format, with single-track sessions and a variety of talks |
• Review of a specific talk by Jonathan Smart, "Better. Sooner. Happier", focusing on Agile transformation |
• Upcoming plans for DevOps Days Zurich 2022, including an in-person event and call for papers |
• Discussion about the importance of diversity in topics at the conference, beyond technology and process |
• Romano Roth's background and involvement with DevOps |
• Romano Roth's first CI/CD system was a command line script, later using Team Foundation Server |
• Today, he uses TeamCity and Octopus Deploy, but sees a trend towards platforms like GitHub and GitLab |
• He is the head of DevOps at Zühlke, with 31 team members in Switzerland and others globally |
• His team works on various projects, including Agile and DevOps transformations for clients |
• Common obstacles to successful DevOps transformation include middle management resistance and misalignment between units |
• Key to success is bringing top management on board with clear vision and guidance. |
• Dealing with individuals who resist change |
• Importance of education and convincing in implementing change |
• Agile and DevOps transformation as a process of transforming ideas into value for customers |
• Hypothesis-driven approach to identifying minimal viable products and reducing batch sizes |
• Need to optimize shipping cycles while maintaining a comfortable pace |
• Emphasis on iterative learning and making small course adjustments |
• Importance of recognizing when it's enough and not chasing unnecessary perfection |
• Culture shift needed to allow for failures and learn from them |
• Example of making mistakes as an opportunity to learn, rather than avoid |
• Challenges with implementing new technologies |
• Importance of learning from mistakes and sunk costs |
• Role of technology in decision-making processes for teams |
• How to deal with team members getting excited about specific technologies |
• Decision-making process within a team regarding which technology to use |
• DevOps trends for 2021 (automation, security, AIOps) |
• Definition and implementation of AIOps (AIOps tools such as Dynatrace and Datadog) |
• AIOps and automation trends |
• Tools used in DevOps such as Octopus Deploy, Jenkins, TeamCity, ASH Devops, GitHub, and GitLab |
• DevSecOps and supply chain security tools like SonarQube, Checkmarx, WhiteSource, and Splunk |
• Hyper-automation trend and its relation to AIOps and observability |
• Cyber-resilience topic, including dev sec ops and infrastructure security |
• Participatory budgeting as a method for allocating budget effectively |
• Importance of making decisions |
• Learning from mistakes |
• Constantly adapting to changing circumstances |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So two years ago, in 2019, I gave a talk about making your system observable. And that was a DevOps Meetup Zurich, and I'll add a link in the show notes. Romano was the organizer, and he put up quite the event, so I would like to thank you for that. It was a great experience. |
**Romano Roth:** You're welcome. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** And this year, my intention was to join DevOps Days Zurich, but the timing wasn't right, so I couldn't make it work. But again, Romano was one of the organizers, and I'm wondering, how did the event go? |
**Romano Roth:** It was absolutely great. So it was in the beginning of September when we had that event; it was also one of the first events which we could do in person, and that was amazing. The only thing -- it was quite frustrating in the beginning to organize all of that, because you need to look at the Covid numb... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** And this was a two-day event, so it wasn't just like one day, which makes things slightly more complicated, right? |
**Romano Roth:** Yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. How many talks did you have? |
**Romano Roth:** I don't know the correct number, but what we have is always a keynote, then we had a set of talks, I think it was 3-4 talks... And then in the afternoon we had the Ignite talks, so that's the five-minute talks which we have... And then we usually have workshops and open spaces. And that's over the whol... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** And was it single-track? |
**Romano Roth:** Always single-track, yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. That's nice, because you have to sit there and enjoy; you don't have to change rooms, meeting rooms... Yeah, okay. Which was your favorite talk, do you remember? I'm sure there were many, but any one talk that stood out? |
**Romano Roth:** Yeah. I liked very much the talk about -- what was it...? "Better. Sooner. Happier", from Jonathan Smart. I liked that quite a lot, because during the talk he asked always a question, and one of the questions was "Are you doing IT transformation? Please, hands up", and everybody was putting their hands... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I want to ask you what that is. If you don't want to spoil that talk for you, you can skip maybe a few minutes... So what is it? |
**Romano Roth:** \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Can you tell us? |
**Romano Roth:** Yeah, sure. The thing is, you really need to focus on the people. You don't need to focus only on doing the transformation because you want to do a transformation. It is more focusing on what do you really want to achieve, and focus on changing these things. That's also why he said "Don't use a scaled ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I seem to remember -- well, no, I remember that in the Agile Manifesto, as it was initially captured, one of the core principles were people over processes. |
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