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[1722.60 --> 1726.18] There was also a question that really stuck out in my mind now that just popped back in,
[1726.24 --> 1731.72] is that somebody asked, yeah, I could just go into the GCP console in the UI and create infrastructure.
[1731.86 --> 1733.08] Why do I need CrossPlan at all?
[1733.42 --> 1737.36] And so the thing that really stuck in my mind is that, hey, one, we definitely, hey,
[1737.40 --> 1742.34] we could probably improve our educational content and, you know, our messaging and really make it more
[1742.34 --> 1744.38] clear to people what the value is.
[1744.44 --> 1746.02] So that's an improvement we can make on our side.
[1746.06 --> 1747.02] There's no question about it.
[1747.22 --> 1751.70] But that's a big point of the project is that a lot of times you most certainly don't want to be giving
[1751.70 --> 1755.92] direct access to the cloud provider consoles, to your developers and have them, you know,
[1755.96 --> 1758.68] being able to willy-nilly create resources on their own.
[1758.74 --> 1762.74] You want to be able to have a separation of concerns and, you know, kind of gate the access
[1762.74 --> 1764.06] that they get to resources there.
[1764.22 --> 1767.46] So that is a big value, you know, selling point of the project.
[1767.58 --> 1770.54] And so that's, that kind of, it's just stuck to me that, hey, maybe we need to be messaging
[1770.54 --> 1771.40] that a little bit better.
[1771.84 --> 1772.66] Here's an idea for you.
[1772.66 --> 1778.76] Next time someone asks you this, I think you should introduce Dan as the CCOO, Chief
[1778.76 --> 1779.74] ClickOps Officer.
[1780.26 --> 1782.66] Say, we created a role.
[1783.52 --> 1784.90] That was like such a good thing.
[1785.06 --> 1789.14] So ClickOps is real and we have just the right antidote for it.
[1789.18 --> 1790.28] And he's called Dan Mangum.
[1791.10 --> 1792.54] So yeah, that's a good one.
[1793.00 --> 1793.28] Okay.
[1793.38 --> 1793.64] Okay.
[1793.80 --> 1796.46] This is actually something which I've been thinking about as well.
[1796.62 --> 1799.84] I started using Crossplane to manage all my GKE clusters.
[1800.14 --> 1800.92] It worked great.
[1800.92 --> 1805.58] I never want to go back and not even to the CLI, which is really weird because the G-Class
[1805.58 --> 1809.18] CLI is great, but Crossplane is better from that perspective.
[1809.30 --> 1810.24] So I really enjoy that.
[1810.48 --> 1813.44] And in that world, I was wondering, how can we handle secrets better?
[1813.60 --> 1817.38] Because, you know, secrets in Kubernetes by default, Base64 encoded.
[1817.58 --> 1819.38] Well, sorry, that's not really secret.
[1819.82 --> 1820.68] Anyone can get it.
[1820.94 --> 1821.60] That's a great one.
[1821.68 --> 1823.40] I will definitely want to follow up on that.
[1823.70 --> 1828.20] But I have another thing on my mind because San Diego was mentioned a couple of times and
[1828.20 --> 1831.26] I had an amazing run around the San Diego Marina.
[1831.86 --> 1836.14] So I'm wondering, Dan, was the run in LA better than this is your San Diego one?
[1836.52 --> 1837.54] What can you tell us about it?
[1837.76 --> 1839.60] So you're catching me at a good time.
[1839.84 --> 1844.60] Right before this podcast, I got back from the SIG run event we had this morning where
[1844.60 --> 1847.44] there was about 15 of us or so that ran through LA.
[1847.44 --> 1852.80] And I can say absolutely that running in LA is not as good as running in San Diego.
[1853.20 --> 1855.00] There are a lot of stoplights.
[1855.22 --> 1860.38] I had one run out to Dodger Stadium earlier this week and that was pretty nice.
[1860.62 --> 1866.88] But overall, I would not recommend coming to Los Angeles as a destination spot for getting
[1866.88 --> 1867.64] your runs in.
[1867.98 --> 1868.14] Right.
[1868.36 --> 1872.74] So next KubeCon, I'm thinking a place where we can all enjoy running a lot more, right?
[1872.74 --> 1877.14] Because that's the most important criteria for choosing a KubeCon location.
[1877.44 --> 1877.92] Right.
[1877.96 --> 1878.66] That's a good one.
[1878.90 --> 1879.66] Do you run, Jared?
[1879.76 --> 1881.20] I never asked and I don't know.
[1881.36 --> 1881.70] Do you run?
[1881.94 --> 1887.76] I am more of a person who likes to do their exercise like in a combination with a goal,
[1887.96 --> 1889.04] like a direct activity.
[1889.24 --> 1892.38] So surfing and ice hockey are my big exercise things.
[1892.52 --> 1893.94] I just had an ice hockey game last night.
[1894.06 --> 1897.26] And so I'm having a little bit trouble waking up this morning and feeling a little sore,
[1897.34 --> 1899.58] a little banged up from some of the violence out there.
[1899.58 --> 1902.74] And so Dan's saying he's getting back from his run this morning when I
[1902.74 --> 1905.24] is not the same morning that I've had so far.
[1905.90 --> 1906.22] I see.
[1906.94 --> 1907.34] Right.
[1908.36 --> 1909.12] That's interesting.
[1909.28 --> 1909.68] Surfing.
[1909.76 --> 1910.58] I never tried it.
[1910.68 --> 1912.52] I think I would like out of the two activities.
[1912.70 --> 1914.12] That sounds a very interesting one.
[1914.32 --> 1915.26] That would be up for trying.
[1915.36 --> 1917.58] So let's see where KubeCon happens next in the US.
[1917.86 --> 1918.64] Is it Detroit?
[1918.74 --> 1919.80] I've heard Detroit being mentioned.
[1919.92 --> 1920.38] Is that real?
[1920.62 --> 1920.78] Yep.
[1920.82 --> 1925.06] They announced yesterday KubeCon EU, I believe is in Valencia and KubeCon
[1925.06 --> 1929.28] North America is going to be in Detroit, which is I'm pumped about it coming to the
[1929.28 --> 1929.56] Midwest.
[1929.56 --> 1934.32] I think that's kind of exciting because we sometimes miss out on some events in the Midwest.
[1934.32 --> 1935.68] I see.
[1935.88 --> 1936.18] I see.
[1936.26 --> 1936.46] Okay.
[1936.64 --> 1937.40] No surfing there.
[1937.46 --> 1939.70] I'm imagining in Detroit to be in the Midwest.
[1940.04 --> 1940.34] I don't think so.
[1940.44 --> 1942.08] I haven't heard of it as the surfing destination.
[1942.78 --> 1943.90] Concrete surfing, maybe.
[1944.52 --> 1944.72] Yeah.
[1944.74 --> 1945.30] Or Valencia.
[1945.30 --> 1946.00] That's a good one.
[1946.12 --> 1946.34] Okay.
[1946.68 --> 1946.88] Yeah.
[1946.88 --> 1949.12] That's more for like yachting, I suppose, or something like that.
[1949.22 --> 1949.42] Okay.
[1949.84 --> 1951.54] So let's talk about the big news.
[1951.98 --> 1954.36] Crossplane was announced for incubation status.