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[2975.42 --> 2976.28] found very good
[2976.28 --> 2976.94] for myself.
[2977.08 --> 2977.72] Like if I had
[2977.72 --> 2978.54] a moment,
[2978.80 --> 2979.46] I try to share
[2979.46 --> 2979.92] it with other
[2979.92 --> 2980.70] people as well.
[2981.00 --> 2982.00] And Natalie,
[2982.18 --> 2982.66] you know this.
[2982.80 --> 2983.36] Ian, actually,
[2983.42 --> 2984.14] I can ask you,
[2984.48 --> 2985.14] what is your
[2985.14 --> 2986.26] aha moment in
[2986.26 --> 2986.84] your career?
[2987.08 --> 2988.30] Like situations
[2988.30 --> 2989.00] when you said,
[2989.12 --> 2990.20] wow, and now
[2990.20 --> 2990.70] I get it.
[2990.80 --> 2991.42] Now I know.
[2991.90 --> 2992.44] That's a real
[2992.44 --> 2993.22] on-the-spot
[2993.22 --> 2993.62] question.
[2993.68 --> 2994.08] I know.
[2994.18 --> 2994.74] It's a difficult
[2994.74 --> 2995.14] one.
[2996.24 --> 2996.94] When did you
[2996.94 --> 2997.66] realize that you
[2997.66 --> 2998.38] can do this?
[2998.50 --> 2999.22] You can code.
[2999.46 --> 3000.10] You know what
[3000.10 --> 3000.48] to do.
[3000.72 --> 3001.62] You've got this.
[3001.98 --> 3002.82] I mean, that
[3002.82 --> 3004.42] moment was, you
[3004.42 --> 3004.84] know, so I was
[3004.84 --> 3005.62] in school and I
[3005.62 --> 3006.22] went to interview
[3006.22 --> 3006.98] for an internship,
[3007.54 --> 3007.94] you know, and
[3007.94 --> 3009.28] going, doing
[3009.28 --> 3009.80] that interview.
[3009.94 --> 3010.48] And they did
[3010.48 --> 3010.90] like the whole
[3010.90 --> 3011.62] whiteboard thing,
[3011.66 --> 3012.08] you know, it was
[3012.08 --> 3013.00] eight hours of
[3013.00 --> 3013.46] interviews.
[3013.88 --> 3014.62] Leaving that was
[3014.62 --> 3015.24] that like aha
[3015.24 --> 3015.96] moment was like,
[3016.04 --> 3016.70] I felt good at
[3016.70 --> 3017.12] the end of that
[3017.12 --> 3017.56] and that made
[3017.56 --> 3018.86] me feel like I
[3018.86 --> 3019.26] was like, oh
[3019.26 --> 3019.78] yeah, I can do
[3019.78 --> 3019.94] this.
[3020.00 --> 3020.52] I can do this,
[3020.58 --> 3020.78] you know.
[3021.16 --> 3021.92] So for you.
[3022.18 --> 3023.04] But before that,
[3023.08 --> 3023.72] I had no
[3023.72 --> 3024.26] confidence.
[3024.94 --> 3025.52] That's the thing.
[3025.52 --> 3026.38] So for you, it was
[3026.38 --> 3027.24] trial by fire.
[3027.62 --> 3027.94] Exactly.
[3028.12 --> 3028.28] Yeah.
[3028.46 --> 3028.90] That's very
[3028.90 --> 3029.28] interesting.
[3029.44 --> 3030.14] I think for a lot
[3030.14 --> 3031.10] of people, it is
[3031.10 --> 3032.58] just like succeeding
[3032.58 --> 3033.50] in something that I
[3033.50 --> 3034.14] didn't think they
[3034.14 --> 3034.74] could before.
[3035.20 --> 3035.90] I didn't think I
[3035.90 --> 3036.66] was ready for like
[3036.66 --> 3037.78] that kind of set of
[3037.78 --> 3038.52] interviews, you know,
[3038.54 --> 3040.80] but that's a reason
[3040.80 --> 3041.44] why I tell people
[3041.44 --> 3042.58] just you see a lot
[3042.58 --> 3043.22] of those posts where
[3043.22 --> 3044.40] it's like, oh, you
[3044.40 --> 3044.98] know, I'm trying to
[3044.98 --> 3045.94] get do these things
[3045.94 --> 3046.98] before I apply for
[3046.98 --> 3047.78] jobs in an interview.
[3047.78 --> 3048.60] And my advice is
[3048.60 --> 3049.30] always just like, just
[3049.30 --> 3049.72] go interview.
[3049.86 --> 3050.82] Like if you do
[3050.82 --> 3052.20] poorly, like you've
[3052.20 --> 3052.98] learned something and
[3052.98 --> 3054.00] you can go do the
[3054.00 --> 3054.46] next one a little
[3054.46 --> 3054.82] bit better.
[3054.98 --> 3056.12] Like, don't wait,
[3056.24 --> 3056.66] just go.