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**Mat Ryer:** Hello, and welcome to Go Time. I'm Mat Ryer. Today we're talking about avoiding bloat. Yes, indeed. I'm joined by Egon Elbre. Hello, Egon. |
**Egon Elbre:** Hello, Mat. |
**Mat Ryer:** Welcome back to Go Time. |
**Egon Elbre:** Yeah, it's nice to be back. |
**Mat Ryer:** It's nice to have you back. And you build things at Storj, right? |
**Egon Elbre:** Yeah. Storage. |
**Mat Ryer:** So that's how it's pronounced. |
**Egon Elbre:** Yes. That's the first question I always get. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yep. GIF or GIF all over again. GIF or GIF. Yeah. Well, welcome. Yeah. We're also joined by Roger Peppe, hacker at Cuelang.org. Hello, Roger. |
**Roger Peppe:** Hello, good evening. |
**Mat Ryer:** Good evening. Welcome to Go Time. We shouldn't say good evening, because we don't know when people listen to this podcast. One of the great things about Go Time is you listen to it on your own terms. |
**Roger Peppe:** It's always the morning on the internet. Good morning! \[laughter\] |
**Mat Ryer:** \[04:00\] It's always the morning somewhere on the internet. Well, people do terrible things in the morning then, in that case... Okay. Well, before we get going, Egon, I was interested, what have you been working on lately? Anything interesting? |
**Egon Elbre:** One of the recent things I finished was a project called Lensm which allows you to browse source code, and to compile the assembly side by side, and see how Go translates into assembly, essentially, and do this interactively. a nice way to visualize it when you're optimizing things. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, very cool. Because it's funny, a lot of people, I think, stay at the code level and don't really dig into that, and it's quite apt for this conversation about avoiding bloat, understanding what's actually this turning into. |
**Egon Elbre:** Yeah, exactly. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. And Roger. Cuelang. Very exciting project. What's going on there? |
**Roger Peppe:** I think it's an extremely exciting project. So I've been involved with the language Cue, I've been enthusiastic about it for a few years now, two or three years, since not so long after came out. I recently had the opportunity to join the project, so I'm now working on it full-time... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, amazing. |
**Roger Peppe:** ...on this new language. It's sort of halfway between JSON and a normal language, I suppose... A configuration language with some very, very interesting properties. It's a very cool project. And hopefully, it should be useful for everyone in the both now, but in the future. It has a big future. |
**Mat Ryer:** So keep your eyes out. I will put a link to it in the show notes for anyone who wants to dig in more, and maybe we'll do a different episode on that at some point, Roger. |
**Roger Peppe:** I think that's a great idea. |
**Mat Ryer:** And Roger, you also play the fiddle, don't you? |
**Roger Peppe:** Not relevant here, but yes, I do. |
**Mat Ryer:** Very relevant, because I went to a party once, and I thought I was having a stroke, but it turns out there was a man playing a fiddle... And that was you. |
**Roger Peppe:** Oh, that was me, was it? |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, yeah. |
**Roger Peppe:** Oh, really? I was at the same party as you. Gosh... \[laughter\] There we go then. I'll try not to do it again. |
**Mat Ryer:** No, do it. There's barely anyone ever playing the fiddle at any parties I go to, so... |
**Roger Peppe:** You just go to the wrong parties, evidently... |
**Mat Ryer:** Apparently so... Okay, so let's get started then. So when we talk about bloat, what do we mean? What is bloat? |
**Egon Elbre:** So I like to separate it to code bloat and binary bloat. So one is your code is growing larger and larger, and the other is your binary, the final deployment thing growing larger and larger. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. We'll bear those two things in mind then as we have this conversation, because I think they're both important to pay attention to in different places. With code bloat, you can have relatively small amounts of code. But if you have lots of imports, your binaries might end up being quite big, right? |
**Egon Elbre:** Yeah. So I actually dug up some statistics... I like to do some small quiz... So how much would you guess, how many lines of code, if you import a timestamp protobuf definition and just print it out? How many lines of code would that cause? marshaling it, and how many lines of code would it import? |
**Roger Peppe:** In Go if you import it? |
**Egon Elbre:** Yes. |
**Mat Ryer:** It can't be many, can it? |
**Roger Peppe:** I reckon about -- my guess would be about 30,000. |
**Mat Ryer:** What?! |
**Roger Peppe:** I know that protobuf is ridiculously bloated, so... That's my guess. |
**Mat Ryer:** I thought it was all about being tiny little payloads. I was gonna say 50... I feel this is a good quiz. |
**Egon Elbre:** 27,000 lines of code. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, wow. |
**Egon Elbre:** Yeah... |
**Mat Ryer:** Roger, how did you get that so close? That's suspicious. |
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