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**Johnny Boursiquot:** I went to Zambia, a country in Africa. I'll tell you, I've seen some of the most beautiful sunsets I've ever seen in my life, and hung out with zebras while I was having dinner, I went and saw some warthogs, and elephants, and baboons hanging out in the middle of the pathway, and went to see Vict...
**Mat Ryer:** That sounds amazing. It sounds like a Disney film.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** I mean, yeah, that's why they usually go to these places to record those documentaries and stuff. That's where all the fun stuff is.
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. You know that a Disney cartoon is not a documentary, don't you, Johnny?
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Well, I did run across Pumbaa, and I was trying to have a conversation and say, "Hey, where's Timon?" He kind of chased me back to the car, so it wasn't a very productive or fruitful conversation, unfortunately.
**Mat Ryer:** \[laughs\] Amazing. Well, it sounds amazing. Hopefully, you're well rested and ready to learn about Go 1.19.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yes.
**Mat Ryer:** Well, we're also joined by Carl Johnson, director of technology at Spotlight PA. And Carl, you're Golang Carl too, right?
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah. It's not my Twitter handle or anything, but after you guys said that Johnny is Golang Johnny, I googled Golang Carl, and I do come up. So if there's some other Carl out there who's going to try to defeat me in the search rankings - no, I will bury you.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Too bad.
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah. \[laughter\]
**Carl Johnson:** If you search for Carl Johnson on Google images, do either of you know-- what do you see when you search for that? Alright...
**Mat Ryer:** Okay.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Oh, boy...
**Carl Johnson:** So this is good...
**Mat Ryer:** Okay, we're doing it.
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah. What do we see?
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Oh, boy. Oh, wow, Carl, you're an official character.
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, is it somebody-- is it GTA?
**Carl Johnson:** Yes, that's right. I'm the star of Grand Theft Auto 3 San Andreas. I don't think I'm ever going to displace Carl Johnson of GTA. But at least for Golang Carl, I'm number one.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, yeah. What happened to your tan? \[laughs\]
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah, it's a—
**Mat Ryer:** You've got good muscles.
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah. \[laughs\] Well, really it's -- you spend a lot of time in prison and it changes people.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** It changes you in many ways... \[laughter\]
**Mat Ryer:** Well, speaking of tan - and I say this only because SPF 13 is his name, and SPF is what they measure the tanning lotions in - I wanted to just say a kind of goodbye to Steve Francia, our friend, friend of the show, friend of Go. He's leaving the Go team. And you know, Steve has done such great open source...
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Mm-hm.
**Mat Ryer:** And also, we've got GopherCon EU coming up in Berlin very soon. I'm going to actually be there. I'm actually going to be there in real life, which is kind of very exciting for me.
**Carl Johnson:** \[08:04\] It's very exciting to sort of come back to going to things in-person, and seeing people.
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah.
**Carl Johnson:** I don't know. I could do without riding in airplanes, but it is sort of nice to leave the house, at least. Is this your first real conference since COVID?
**Mat Ryer:** No, we had a company one at Grafana, a big one, where the whole company got together in Whistler, in Canada. And that was epic. But it is definitely strange being around people again, and we sort of have to learn how to do it. We've sort of forgotten a lot of the time. But yeah, I'm so pleased that we get...
Okay, let's dig in, shall we? Go 1.19. There's some great things coming in this. Now, Go 1.18, the previous release, had like big old features. Generics... It had fuzzing, and workspaces... These are big things, big changes. And I still feel like we're not yet really used to those, but that's not going to stop us from ...
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah. So for any listeners who aren't familiar with the Go release cycle, the Go team essentially aims to have a new release every six months. And basically, since they've set out to do that, they've hit all of their targets. Go 1.8 was maybe like a month behind when it was supposed to come out. It wa...
So they have a release cycle of every six months. There's a period where the development branch is open, and they accept new features into the Go software, into the standard library, and so forth. And then there becomes a freeze period where you can't add any new features. All you can do is make sure that the existing ...
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, it's impressive.
**Carl Johnson:** But yeah, so coming after 1.18, which was this huge, mind-blowing release, which had so much effort behind it, so many incredible features, it's a little bit of a change in pace.
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. So do we expect to see anything big coming out, or is this literally like-- is this a smaller release, this one?
**Carl Johnson:** It's smaller in the sense that there's no major changes to the language. It's not something that we're just going to be talking about again and again for years the way we'll talk about generics, or even fuzzing, or workspaces. One of the things that they've been doing behind the scenes, if you've been...
But yeah, if you look at Go 1.19, it's like more of a refinement release. If you guys are familiar with the TikTok terminology, so there's the idea of like - for Intel, they would release chips that... I don't remember which is which, but there's a tick and there's a tock. So they would change their chips to be on a sm...
**Mat Ryer:** I see.
**Carl Johnson:** And so it's sort of like that.
**Mat Ryer:** No, I thought you meant the dancing. I thought you meant the dancing kids, and animals doing funny stuff.
**Carl Johnson:** If you're familiar with TikTok, yes. I'm a total nerd. I can't assume that people are familiar with very popular social networks.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** \[12:03\] I was like, "Carl, are you on TikTok?" \[laughs\]
**Carl Johnson:** No, no, I'm not on TikTok.
**Johnny Boursiquot:** "What are you doing? Like, making programming jokes or something?" \[laughs\]
**Mat Ryer:** Dancing and talking about Go 1.19, I hope.
**Carl Johnson:** Yeah. That'd be fun. Somebody should do it.
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, it would be fun. We should do it, or someone will.