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**Roger Peppe:** I am absolutely not. We might have gotten into this, actually... Because a previous unpopular opinion of mine was that Acme is the best text editor. And Acme is a radically mouse-focused text editor. I don't even touch-type, actually. I never learned, and I never went back to properly learn. |
**Mat Ryer:** How do you get the keys tapping? You blow on them, but you refuse to touch it? |
**Roger Peppe:** Yeah, just kind of -- you know, two finger, very slow, look for the key... |
**Mat Ryer:** I worked with a guy who typed with a single finger, and he was faster than me, and I've never seen anything like it since... I hadn't seen anything before, I haven't seen anything it like it since. |
**Roger Peppe:** Not even two hands? |
**Mat Ryer:** Not even two hands. Single finger, one hand. It's just how we learned... And I've no idea why that happened. |
**Roger Peppe:** I got three fingers, maybe four, because one for the Shift key. The little finger for the Shift key. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, I assumed it was two if it's someone else... Like, two fingers for you to type, and then you've got two to spare, if you want to help out someone else's... |
**Roger Peppe:** So I think the mouse is great. I don't like keyboard shortcuts in general. They get in my way. |
**Mat Ryer:** Egon, what sort of editor are you into, Mate? |
**Egon Elbre:** Oh, I use three different ones. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay. Thought it might. |
**Egon Elbre:** So I use Sublime... |
**Mat Ryer:** I thought it wouldn't be a simple answer. Something told me... Yeah. Sublime? |
**Roger Peppe:** I use Sublime, VS Code, and GoLand, depending on what I'm doing. And I guess I edit the commit messages in Vim, because I haven't bothered to change the default editor. \[laughs\] |
**Mat Ryer:** Fair enough. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I always wonder about these people that are amazing on the keyboards. I always look up to them, but maybe it is just that they're rubbish with a mouse. Like, they just can't do it. It could be that. |
**Roger Peppe:** \[59:10\] I actually quite the touchpoint thing. So I don't use the touchpad; when I do use my laptop, I don't use the touchpad, I use this touchpoint thing, which is only on Lenovos. |
**Mat Ryer:** Why is that? |
**Roger Peppe:** It's just a little nipple that's in the middle -- a red thing which is in the middle of the keyboard, and I think it works really well. |
**Egon Elbre:** Yeah. I do miss my touchpoint, so... |
**Roger Peppe:** Interesting. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, so it's like a little thing with a grip on it, isn't it? And it's essentially a joystick. Like a tiny joystick. |
**Roger Peppe:** Yeah, a joystick, except it doesn't move; you just kind of push it. And it does lose its grip after a while, after a year or so, and you have to get another, a replacement thing with more friction. |
**Mat Ryer:** Or you could moisturize your hands... |
**Roger Peppe:** Yeah, actually it's really bad -- if you're really sweaty, it can be a problem. \[laughter\] |
**Mat Ryer:** Well, speaking of being really sweaty, my unpopular opinion -- I've got one today... I don't understand shower gel. I don't know if you've seen it or you have it. It's basically -- it's like some kind of bath time slime... And it never smells great. And people have it. Sometimes I'll go to my brother's, a... |
**Roger Peppe:** I tend to agree with you about the shower gel, because -- it just all drips away. You know, if you give me a bar soap, it's there, right? |
**Mat Ryer:** You can really go to town. |
**Egon Elbre:** Don't you use a sponge for it? |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, a sponge? |
**Roger Peppe:** A sponge? No, no... |
**Egon Elbre:** Like, something fluffy. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, that makes sense. That does make sense, though. |
**Roger Peppe:** I suppose that does make more sense. No. |
**Egon Elbre:** Do you also feel the same about shampoo? |
**Mat Ryer:** No, although I realize that that is very similar. I don't have loads of hair... |
**Roger Peppe:** I have to say that I have recently, like in the last couple of years changed to using bar soap for the shampoo. You can get these shampoo bar soaps, and it works really well. So you don't have that bottle which you have to throw away, so less plastic, it lasts for ages... It actually works really well. |
**Mat Ryer:** Sold. |
**Roger Peppe:** I totally recommend it. |
**Mat Ryer:** I want everything in a bar. I want a bar of toothpaste now. You just rub the bar in... \[laughs\] No, but a shower gel -- in some places where the water soft, it doesn't even all properly come off, so you end up being all slimy. |
**Roger Peppe:** You're putting it on during the shower, not afterwards, right? |
**Mat Ryer:** \[laughs\] To be fair, I have not read the label. I maybe use an error, but I just don't get it. I just don't like it. I like a nice, rough bar of soap; something that's rugged, and... You know what I mean? I'm not one of those really manly people. |
**Egon Elbre:** Steel wool. |
**Mat Ryer:** Steel wool. Oh, yes, please. I like a towel. I went to a hotel - it was a bit fancy - and the towels were all soft, and it's horrible. I want a rough towel. I want it like an elephant rubbing up against a tree, please. |
**Roger Peppe:** A loofah. |
**Mat Ryer:** A loofah, yeah. Well, I'm afraid that's all the time we have... But I learned a lot, mainly about bath things, but also about code bloat... So thanks very much to my guests. Roger Peppe - always a pleasure, Roger. Hopefully, you'll come back soon. |
**Roger Peppe:** It was a pleasure. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. And Egon Elbre... |
**Egon Elbre:** Áeah it's been emotional. |
**Mat Ryer:** Good. It's been great to have you. We'll see you next time! |
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