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**Ed Welch:** Yeah. If I gave that as my opinion, it wouldn't be as unpopular... \[laughs\] I really like the idea of running against operational data or clusters, so having tests that are running against systems, but kind of the "I built some database inserts and run them into an in-memory database, and then it verifi... |
Maybe the key to success with integration tests is keeping their scope really small and purposeful, and then running them on-demand, kind of thing. |
**Mat Ryer:** \[01:00:03.13\] Yeah, that's very interesting. We'll put this out on Twitter @gotimefm to see if indeed that is unpopular. You wrote down another one though, at which I feel like you might have an even better chance of winning this whole thing. |
**Ed Welch:** The one that you have highlighted, that Windows is the best desktop OS? |
**Mat Ryer:** Say it again clearly for the Twitter clip. |
**Ed Welch:** I believe Windows is the best desktop OS. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay, really? |
**Ed Welch:** Specifically Windows with WSL 2 is everything that I've ever needed from a desktop OS. A close second would probably be macOS, although my experiences with Docker and macOS are frustrating, and my experiences with updating macOS and having it become less stable after every time it does an update... And in... |
And I love Linux. I've tried for years and years to run desktop Linux, and I just don't -- I just want my computer to work. I wanna join this podcast today and expect not to have any trouble. And that's Windows, man... That's where I'm at with Windows. |
Also, it's not -- I'm not gonna say that I love it, right? That Windows is great and it doesn't have a whole host of its own problems. I just think it has the least problems. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. It does have Minesweeper. |
**Ed Welch:** Does it? I don't even know... Does Windows 11 still have Minesweeper? |
**Jon Calhoun:** I have no idea. |
**Mat Ryer:** Can we find out? That'll be the clincher for me. |
**Ed Welch:** No, it doesn't. |
**Jon Calhoun:** Every time I've tried to code it all in Windows there's always little things that -- I'm sure I could eventually get past them. Just one example - I can press Ctrl+A to go to the start of a line and Ctrl+E to go at the end of the line. In Windows, Ctrl+A is gonna select everything. So it all of a sudde... |
**Mat Ryer:** It's probably got its own button, hasn't it? "Go to start of line", or... |
**Ed Welch:** The Home button on my keyboard... \[laughs\] |
**Mat Ryer:** You go in the Start menu, and you go to Run, and then you type "Move to start of line." |
**Ed Welch:** Yeah, the keyboard shortcuts were the worst part for me trying to move to Mac. I could never get used to copy and paste. I could never figure it out. |
**Jon Calhoun:** So I think it's one of those things that -- there's definitely a difference between Cmd and Ctrl, but when you get used to them, it's kind of hard to switch back at times. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, that's true. The muscle memory is -- I got a new keyboard recently, and I've just basically stopped using it, because I don't want it. It's meant to be ergonomic, but I've already learned it the non-ergonomic way. My bones have changed now, and adapting back is tough. Especially as you get older, yo... |
**Jon Calhoun:** The other issue I have with that type -- because the keyboard you have, Mat, I have it and I was using it, but my issue I ran into was first off, my hand was broken for the last two months, so I was already really slow. |
**Mat Ryer:** That's not the keyboard's fault, Jon... |
**Jon Calhoun:** Well, no, no, but I was already slow, so when the cast came off and I had a brace on I'm like, "I need to get caught up on work, not learn a new keyboard." But then on top of that, I would go from this new keyboard... I think by default where a Caps Lock key normally is was Delete. Which is great, beca... |
**Ed Welch:** \[01:03:46.26\] Yeah, I feel that. Because I had always used Windows systems in corporate environments, and like I said, the copy-paste was sort of the worst one for me... And then you could go the route of remapping the keys, but that never seems to be flawless... So yeah, it's hard once you're well-esta... |
**Jon Calhoun:** If you're going to a Mac, it's definitely not one-to-one... Because Ctrl and Cmd both do different things at different times. So you still use Ctrl a little bit, you use use Cmd more. |
**Mat Ryer:** But isn't it also true in Windows that it depends on the app? It's per application, whereas copy and paste is always the same across the whole operating system on a Mac. |
**Jon Calhoun:** Windows is pretty much always Ctrl+C. |
**Ed Welch:** Unless it's interrupt on the terminal... Which is why I think Mac did it right. It shouldn't be Ctrl+C, or they should have another character for interrupt... But yeah, that's the one that gets you in trouble. When you're working on a terminal in Windows, it's like "Can I use Ctrl+C to copy?" A lot of tim... |
**Mat Ryer:** I remember it used to be you highlight it, and then it's done. Wasn't it that? You'd just highlight it in the terminal... |
**Ed Welch:** Mine does that. I set up Windows terminal to do that now; it's my favorite thing ever. Every time I highlight something in the terminal it automatically copies it, and I don't know why anyone would not want it to do that. It's the handiest thing ever. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. |
**Ed Welch:** Except when you accidentally click on the screen after you copy. But then you use a tool to manage your clipboard history, so that you could just go back. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. Okay, great. Alright, great. Good stuff. Well, we're slightly over time, but that was worth it. Thank you so much, Ed Welch, for joining us. Fascinating talk and dive into logs there. There's actually so much more we could talk about. We may do logging part two, Return of the... Something. Let's bra... |
**Ed Welch:** I'm not sure. I think that was all I had. But I'd be happy to come back though, it was really fun. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay. It's nice to have you. And Jon Calhoun was also here... Weren't you, Jon? |
**Jon Calhoun:** I was here. Thanks for having me, Mat. |
**Mat Ryer:** Always a pleasure. See you next time, on Go Time. Bye! \[Unpopular Opinions jingle starts 01:05:50.04\] That's the wrong one. It was all so professional until then, wasn't it? \[laughs\] Was it? No, it wasn't. Oh, good. |
**Jon Calhoun:** I think I tune out at the exit song, so I didn't even notice. I was just like "Okay, cool. We're listening to a song." |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, I know. But that's the Unpopular Opinion one, Jon. I pressed the wrong one... |
**Jon Calhoun:** Well... |
**Mat Ryer:** That's fine. Because honestly, the editors are just gonna clean this up. Clean it up. We love you, editors, by the way... I could do with editors in real life, like on calls and... You know what I mean? When you're having meetings. It'd be great if you could have someone editing... |
**Ed Welch:** Yeah... |
**Mat Ryer:** Cutting out the gaps... |
**Ed Welch:** I could hear how many times I said "Um..." |
**Mat Ryer:** You won't hear that in the final podcast. |
**Ed Welch:** I know, because I said it usually when someone else started talking, and so like "Great! That's just gonna get cut out, because somebody else just started talking." |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. They literally will go through and neaten up any gaps we leave, if we talk over each other... Yeah, it is really good. |
**Jon Calhoun:** They do a good bit with what they can. Obviously, there are some times where it's like "Nope. That's too hard." |
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