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[263.34 --> 267.48] C++, and helping folks get into programming, which is pretty awesome.
[267.48 --> 272.56] He also streams on Twitch, mostly open source Go stuff.
[273.20 --> 278.66] Anton is actually the CTO and co-founder at Spiral Scout, also on the same team that actively
[278.66 --> 280.70] works behind Roadrunner.
[281.24 --> 282.86] He loves software and hardware.
[283.12 --> 287.12] We were just talking before the show about some of the hardware stuff he's working on
[287.12 --> 293.58] with Go, rather than going the traditional route of the embedded stuff with C or Python
[293.58 --> 293.92] and whatnot.
[294.32 --> 295.60] I got a chance to take a peek at that.
[295.70 --> 296.64] Very interesting stuff.
[296.64 --> 300.30] He also enjoys some DIY robotics and machine learning.
[300.88 --> 302.26] Welcome to you both, gents.
[302.78 --> 303.32] Yeah, thank you.
[303.74 --> 306.82] I was saying I do not try to pronounce my surname.
[307.82 --> 310.16] So it's like rather complicated.
[311.22 --> 312.68] But you're almost correct.
[313.62 --> 314.38] It's all good.
[314.44 --> 314.94] It's all good.
[315.04 --> 315.36] Yeah, yeah.
[315.68 --> 317.42] So Go and PHP.
[317.80 --> 320.76] Let's start with what brought you to PHP.
[320.98 --> 324.10] Like why are you working on PHP this day and age?
[324.10 --> 326.78] Well, not that there's anything wrong with working on PHP this day and age.
[326.78 --> 330.48] I'm saying like, you know, out of all the languages one could pick, PHP has been around
[330.48 --> 332.10] a long, long, long time.
[332.28 --> 334.06] Like back in the infancy of the web.
[334.16 --> 339.40] It was like at some point, PHP was like the it language to actually write, you know, dynamic
[339.40 --> 340.18] websites and whatnot.
[340.40 --> 343.78] Competing with the like of ASP, you know, classic, as we refer to it now.
[343.78 --> 348.68] So in the likes of ColdFusion, I mean, these things are like granddaddies or grandmommies
[348.68 --> 349.92] of the early web.
[350.08 --> 351.06] What led you to PHP?
[351.48 --> 353.90] Well, as you mentioned, it's a very old language.
[354.16 --> 358.40] I was young and naive and I wanted to have my own forum or my own CMS board.
[358.58 --> 364.02] And if you're trying to build a forum back in like 05, the only option would be for you
[364.02 --> 364.52] is PHP.
[364.92 --> 369.86] It's like I remember trying to download the source code of like the website and trying
[369.86 --> 371.08] to figure out why it doesn't work.
[371.08 --> 375.10] Well, apparently you had to install a bunch of instruments to also make it work.
[375.26 --> 378.84] But it's just been the beginning of kind of this long, long journey.
[379.46 --> 380.58] And I'm still sticking to that.
[380.88 --> 383.38] So it's a beautiful language these days and it changed a lot.
[383.70 --> 384.14] Yeah, yeah.
[384.24 --> 384.72] Very nice.
[385.38 --> 389.08] So surprisingly, I'm not a PHP developer.
[389.34 --> 394.60] So I'm a good developer and working on a whole part of the ecosystem.
[394.96 --> 396.86] We're trying to connect into PHP parts.
[396.86 --> 402.12] So Anton for me, it's like a light at the end of the tunnel connected to me from the
[402.12 --> 402.80] PHP side.
[403.28 --> 403.34] Okay.
[403.48 --> 407.32] So then you've got the PHP as part of your background.
[407.32 --> 409.68] And then here comes a long go.
[409.82 --> 414.32] Like when did you get into it and what led you to actually combining those two things?
[414.88 --> 417.96] I can probably talk from kind of combine part.
[418.10 --> 421.44] I mean, the goal been around when I was kind of started studying it.
[421.48 --> 424.48] It was around for a few years and I only hear like a good things about it.
[424.48 --> 430.52] It's like performance, fast, concurrent, all these kind of terms which now, well, we all
[430.52 --> 431.34] know about Golang.
[431.76 --> 434.72] Well, I mean, I actually just tried to just play with that.
[434.98 --> 437.26] And I played, I made a couple interesting applications.
[437.64 --> 443.32] And since PHP was the main kind of production stack, I was just trying to see how I can kind
[443.32 --> 444.68] of use it within this practice.
[444.82 --> 449.14] Because all the examples on Golang was kind of like small and easy, right?
[449.14 --> 454.16] And on PHP, we have frameworks, like 10 layers of abstractions, OREMs, and et cetera.
[454.26 --> 456.50] So it's kind of very different worlds.
[457.18 --> 458.48] So, I mean, it was just curious.
[458.64 --> 462.56] It was kind of very curious language for someone who didn't work in this, like this type of
[462.56 --> 463.82] language for a very long time.
[464.56 --> 467.28] And, well, that has been an idea.
[467.82 --> 469.72] Can we actually make them work together?
[469.84 --> 472.20] Can we get benefits of PHP and benefits on Go?
[472.20 --> 477.12] And can improve the developer experience or our own experience?
[477.58 --> 485.60] I came to Spiral Scout, like, in 2018 as just a regular developer on one of the projects,
[485.86 --> 486.90] like Golang developer.
[487.46 --> 490.38] Previously, I was programming in .NET.
[490.50 --> 495.32] So I was heavily involved into .NET ecosystem, like C Sharp.
[495.32 --> 501.28] I've got some, like, I guess, 40, 70, 483 exam paths.
[501.44 --> 504.28] It's like C Sharp, something like C Sharp Professional.
[504.62 --> 511.36] So, and I saw a guy who worked on a very famous taxi company based in New York.
[512.00 --> 519.82] So he rewriting old Ruby on Rails system into some interesting language.
[519.82 --> 526.22] So it was, like, 2015, maybe in early days of the Golang.
[526.52 --> 528.82] So I, like, what is language?
[529.04 --> 533.04] So could you please explain me about what is...
[533.04 --> 537.24] So I was really impressed about first web server written in Golang.
[537.34 --> 544.92] So it was so little lines of code, and it brings you to, like, a web server that can
[544.92 --> 547.78] respond to, like, just hello world, but it just works.
[547.78 --> 553.76] After that, I came into, like, SpiralScal was involved into, like, internal projects.
[554.08 --> 559.58] And one time, I started to write a test in the error genre.
[560.02 --> 561.36] So it was, like, a mess.
[561.78 --> 567.16] Because entering from the PHP expertise, like, forgot to turn errors from the functions.
[568.08 --> 571.02] Like, there are no errors if you don't return them.
[571.02 --> 577.28] Of course, I fixed it, and it was, like, a lot of errors in the tests.
[577.94 --> 584.46] And I sent this PR to Anton, and Anton was, like, oh, my God, why you did this?
[585.26 --> 586.74] And we, like, okay.
[586.98 --> 592.40] We started fixing it, and we eventually, and we finally fixed all these, like, errors.
[592.40 --> 598.24] And after that, I was, like, involved into the Golang part of the road genre.
[598.50 --> 603.76] And we started working with Anton together to improve the quality, too.
[604.72 --> 610.16] Well, he pretty much rewrited most of the parts of it, but that was for the good.
[611.72 --> 612.68] Yeah, might be.
[612.68 --> 620.40] Obviously, you saw a need, and you decided to fill in and started meeting, doing some of the things that you saw that needed to be done.