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[1561.10 --> 1567.84] So, you know, if you want to run commands on the host, you'll have to give it all those various permissions and that kind of thing.
[1568.06 --> 1568.50] I'll be fine.
[1568.54 --> 1570.22] I just run Docker as root, so I'll be fine.
[1572.82 --> 1573.90] Don't run Docker as root.
[1573.90 --> 1574.44] I kid.
[1574.96 --> 1581.46] So did you see that Google have done the big 180 on the G Suite Legacy Edition stuff?
[1582.00 --> 1583.04] Yeah, they walked this one back.
[1583.16 --> 1584.72] You know, we covered this.
[1585.38 --> 1586.56] We were not very impressed.
[1587.04 --> 1589.24] And it seems like a lot of people were not very impressed.
[1590.12 --> 1592.40] I'm kind of surprised they walked it back, actually.
[1592.40 --> 1602.50] Well, what was supposed to happen was by the end of June, June 27th, the G Suite Free Edition was supposed to be transitioned away to a paid only version.
[1602.76 --> 1611.52] And it turns out that enough people have either just straight up quit G Suite or have made enough of a stink about it.
[1611.96 --> 1620.58] Or what I suspect has happened is they didn't actually finish the dev work needed underneath to migrate that number of people to the real paid product.
[1620.58 --> 1622.46] That could very well be.
[1622.58 --> 1623.04] That's funny.
[1623.46 --> 1623.70] Yeah.
[1624.32 --> 1629.32] They've now actually just decided to say, well, actually, those of you that did procrastinate for long enough.
[1630.10 --> 1631.68] Oh, by the way, we're the good guys now.
[1632.08 --> 1635.16] Yeah, isn't this funny how they just, well, we're not going to do it.
[1635.26 --> 1636.02] They earn points.
[1636.08 --> 1638.28] So it's sort of a win-win situation for them.
[1638.32 --> 1639.52] Plus, you know, they can afford it.
[1640.02 --> 1644.02] But I think we should take it as the warning shot that it should be.
[1644.52 --> 1645.84] I was thinking about this earlier today.
[1645.84 --> 1650.12] This is one of the reasons why I want to start using Peertube for some of our video hosting here.
[1650.58 --> 1658.02] Not only do I like to self-host our infrastructure, but as long as we're using YouTube, I have to maintain a Google account.
[1658.14 --> 1661.30] And I've been thinking, like, how far do I have to go to de-Google?
[1662.14 --> 1668.62] And it's pretty nuts because on the back end of JB, we're using the Google apps for email, at least, and calendaring.
[1668.62 --> 1673.74] And then for the video publishing, we're using YouTube, which requires a Google account.
[1674.50 --> 1685.74] And so when you think about how deep that rabbit hole is, these kinds of shifts by large tech companies give some of us an opportunity to reevaluate just how tied in we are.
[1685.74 --> 1689.00] And I think a lot of people saw their opportunity to break away.
[1689.10 --> 1691.20] Some people aren't as deep in as I am.
[1691.80 --> 1694.00] And I think they took it as an opportunity to leave.
[1694.06 --> 1695.32] And I think Google saw some bleeding.
[1695.44 --> 1698.78] So I think it was a bit of they weren't ready to migrate everybody.
[1699.58 --> 1701.54] And I think they took a big hit.
[1701.74 --> 1703.22] And I think people canceled.
[1703.22 --> 1709.00] If you look at the business model of our sponsor, Tailscale, you know, they build in to the business model.
[1709.48 --> 1721.12] The fact that if you get smart people on board to using your product early, that will have trickle down effects into the enterprise or trickle up, I suppose, more accurately.
[1721.74 --> 1724.50] You know, you get DevOps engineers using things at home.
[1724.58 --> 1726.78] You get sysadmins using things at home.
[1727.00 --> 1730.00] They'll go into work and be like, hey, let's just use G Suite.
[1730.12 --> 1730.90] It's brilliant.
[1731.16 --> 1732.10] Yeah, it's just so easy.
[1732.10 --> 1733.38] We don't have to worry about exchange.
[1733.46 --> 1734.58] We don't have to do all this crap.
[1734.78 --> 1735.84] It just works.
[1736.38 --> 1751.26] And I wonder how much attrition they saw of people in that segment who are savvy enough to go to Fastmail or go to any other self-hosted email solution or, you know, that kind of thing.
[1751.80 --> 1753.06] I wonder how much attrition they saw.
[1753.12 --> 1753.96] I'd love to know the data.
[1754.08 --> 1755.34] Well, obviously, we never will.
[1755.64 --> 1757.74] But I'm sure they didn't lose too much sleep over it.
[1757.76 --> 1759.56] But I bet it was more than they were comfortable with.
[1759.56 --> 1763.64] I think Fastmail benefited a lot just based on some of the chatter I saw in our community.
[1763.98 --> 1765.92] It seemed like a lot of that landed for Fastmail.
[1766.32 --> 1767.18] I moved to Fastmail.
[1767.26 --> 1767.72] It's been great.
[1768.20 --> 1775.28] But, you know, when you were talking about it, it almost made me feel like there's almost nothing we can do, though, to stop the overall trend.
[1775.28 --> 1782.68] And because all three of my kids and every one of their friends at school have Chromebooks.
[1782.84 --> 1784.88] And they've had them now since, like, kindergarten.
[1785.52 --> 1786.94] And they've got multiple.
[1787.10 --> 1790.12] They have, like, a personal Google account and a school Google account.
[1790.12 --> 1792.30] And they know how to use all of the Google tools.
[1792.30 --> 1796.92] And when they need a document editor, the first thing they do is they go to Google Docs now.
[1797.14 --> 1798.94] They don't launch LibreOffice.
[1799.00 --> 1800.38] He has LibreOffice on his computer.
[1801.06 --> 1802.44] I bet you he's never launched it once.
[1803.06 --> 1803.52] Get them early.
[1803.64 --> 1804.18] Get them young.
[1804.50 --> 1804.70] Yeah.
[1804.78 --> 1806.04] It's the old Apple technique.
[1806.18 --> 1806.72] It's smart.
[1806.84 --> 1809.24] I mean, if you were an exec, that's exactly what you'd say.
[1809.32 --> 1811.54] It'd be like, this is a 20-year strategy, guys.
[1811.58 --> 1812.80] But this is the way to go.
[1813.30 --> 1815.90] I feel like we're kind of maybe a dying breed.
[1816.30 --> 1816.62] Definitely.
[1816.88 --> 1817.32] Definitely.
[1817.40 --> 1818.00] I think so.
[1818.00 --> 1822.34] I mean, I think it's an interesting thing, like, self-hosting in general.
[1822.88 --> 1825.58] I'm well aware that I'm a nerd.
[1825.68 --> 1828.64] And I find sitting in front of a computer screen interesting.
[1829.18 --> 1831.18] There are plenty of people in this world.
[1831.74 --> 1835.76] The last thing they want to do is spend their weekends or an evening sat in front of a computer screen.
[1835.84 --> 1838.06] They want to be detailing their car.
[1838.14 --> 1839.18] They want to be doing woodworking.
[1839.28 --> 1840.48] They want to be walking their dog.
[1840.54 --> 1844.04] Or whatever it is that you do that you find interesting that isn't self-hosting.
[1844.04 --> 1852.10] And to them, the trade-off of giving up a bit of privacy and all of their data to advertisers is worth that trade-off.
[1852.26 --> 1859.56] But, you know, those of us who think about these things, whether good or bad, I would love to de-Google-ify.
[1859.74 --> 1861.30] But it's really hard.
[1861.30 --> 1864.54] I wonder if they do value it.
[1864.54 --> 1865.90] I just saw a survey today.
[1865.96 --> 1867.28] I should have grabbed it for the show.
[1867.74 --> 1881.26] I just saw a survey go by today that a ginormous percentage of average consumers that were surveyed, something like 85%, said that the trade-off for their privacy was not worth it.
[1881.74 --> 1883.36] I was shocked.
[1883.84 --> 1884.86] I didn't grab it for the show.
[1884.98 --> 1888.24] But I think it's a lack of options.
[1888.34 --> 1889.22] I think they care.