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[0.00 --> 2.42] You probably didn't see the teaser for the stream today. |
[3.16 --> 4.62] It's actually a lady badger. |
[5.04 --> 8.34] It's hard to tell, but it's a lady badger. |
[8.56 --> 9.72] It's a lady badger. |
[9.78 --> 11.52] It looks like a medieval lady badger. |
[11.84 --> 15.32] Yeah, I think so, but she's still a big self-hosted fan. |
[15.70 --> 16.54] Or is she Renaissance? |
[16.78 --> 17.32] It's hard to tell. |
[17.40 --> 18.18] Maybe we should ask her. |
[18.50 --> 19.24] She could be LARPing. |
[19.32 --> 19.88] I don't know. |
[20.06 --> 20.76] That could be a thing. |
[20.84 --> 21.84] Where did that come from? |
[22.24 --> 22.96] I made it. |
[23.24 --> 23.86] I just decided. |
[24.50 --> 26.88] I was looking for badger people, and that's what came up. |
[26.88 --> 28.84] You made it NMS Paint, did you? |
[28.84 --> 29.98] Yeah, basically. |
[30.80 --> 31.92] Paint.net. |
[33.28 --> 34.10] Well, here we are. |
[34.16 --> 35.52] It's episode 75. |
[35.96 --> 37.16] There's a lot to get to today. |
[37.24 --> 41.66] Alex is about to jump on an airplane, and our buddy Brent is inbound. |
[41.96 --> 45.92] We're sitting down in the middle of a thunderstorm over at Alex's house. |
[46.54 --> 47.22] Real life update. |
[47.34 --> 53.80] Brent is supposed to be departing Toronto literally right now as I'm talking to you as we're recording. |
[53.80 --> 58.88] And his flight inbound from Calgary landed about 10 minutes ago. |
[59.76 --> 61.20] So I don't think that's happening. |
[61.44 --> 65.30] I think Brent will be here tomorrow morning, most likely. |
[65.82 --> 66.06] Okay. |
[66.24 --> 67.30] And when do you fly out? |
[67.62 --> 68.18] Tomorrow night. |
[68.52 --> 71.84] You might be two ships passing each other in the night on the... |
[71.84 --> 72.88] Yeah, it's unfortunate. |
[73.50 --> 74.44] It is unfortunate. |
[75.38 --> 76.52] Well, we'll get into it. |
[76.52 --> 83.88] But I wanted to start today by discussing something that I don't know if we have it on record, but I know at least off record. |
[84.02 --> 85.38] You called this one, Alex. |
[85.58 --> 89.38] This week, Nebukasa announced the Works with Home Assistant program. |
[89.52 --> 89.78] They write, |
[89.78 --> 98.36] Today we're introducing the Works with Home Assistant program to allow manufacturers to show their support and commitment to Home Assistant and its community. |
[98.96 --> 103.26] And like you would expect with a program like this, Alex, they got like little badges that says, |
[103.52 --> 104.64] Works locally with Home Assistant. |
[105.02 --> 106.46] Works via the cloud with Home Assistant. |
[106.74 --> 107.80] Works with Z-Wave. |
[107.90 --> 109.84] You know, the kind of works with. |
[110.32 --> 111.10] It's an interesting program. |
[111.72 --> 116.78] I don't want to foreshadow anything about my other predictions this year, but... |
[116.78 --> 118.04] Nailed it. |
[118.16 --> 119.14] I called that one. |
[119.14 --> 120.12] Yeah, he did. |
[120.32 --> 120.92] It's nice. |
[121.04 --> 122.64] It's nice to finally get the W, bro. |
[123.10 --> 124.32] Yeah, it is nice to see this. |
[124.38 --> 132.12] In fact, it's kind of perfect because I just recently had a good reminder of how crappy the experience is right now. |
[132.26 --> 138.18] And I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't announce a hardware partner at launch, |
[138.58 --> 144.46] but they did say they're going to have their first hardware partner announced soon. |
[144.90 --> 148.34] But, you know, just recently I was kind of doing like a virtual rebuild of my Home Assistant setup. |
[148.34 --> 153.74] Like, let's say in theory, my Home Assistant Yellow or whatever it's called now shows up, |
[153.74 --> 155.74] and I rebuild my Home setup. |
[155.74 --> 160.76] And I thought maybe that'd be a good time to just move over to Zigbee. |
[161.10 --> 167.14] I know I could just stick with Z-Wave, but it seems like Zigbee and Matter will eventually be the future. |
[167.14 --> 180.10] So I started researching one-to-one replacements for my Z-Wave devices like my outdoor switches, sprinkler controllers, motion sensors, power smart plugs that also have real-time power data monitoring. |
[180.10 --> 183.30] I tried to find solid Zigbee alternatives to those. |
[183.94 --> 194.36] And getting any kind of signal out of the noise if one device over another is compatible with Home Assistant is a really bad experience. |
[194.60 --> 197.26] And at best, you're kind of just taking a stab. |
[197.44 --> 202.72] Like, you really can't order anything with absolute confidence that it'll work in Home Assistant. |
[202.72 --> 205.14] And I will say over the last couple of years, it's gotten better. |
[205.60 --> 208.26] Like, more and more stuff I just buy works with Home Assistant locally. |
[208.66 --> 210.40] But it's still almost impossible. |
[210.62 --> 218.40] And I would argue in-navigatable for a brand new user to this space presently. |
[218.40 --> 224.44] So if this takes off, this would make it massively easier because I would just filter by this on Amazon or wherever I'm shopping. |
[224.86 --> 225.96] It is a crapshoot. |
[226.38 --> 226.78] Absolutely. |
[227.08 --> 233.04] And, you know, the only way to know for sure if something's going to work is to buy it and try it. |
[233.22 --> 237.88] And even then, that's not a guarantee it's going to continue working for the longest time. |
[237.94 --> 242.62] I refer you to my comments about the Govee LED strips I bought in the last episode. |
[242.62 --> 249.84] You know, even though that was relying on a third-party API provided by Govee, it worked one day via a custom integration. |
[250.24 --> 253.06] And then Govee decided to rate limit the API. |
[253.42 --> 255.90] So even then, it's not a perfect guarantee. |
[256.16 --> 259.90] So I'm delighted to see this program come into existence. |
[259.90 --> 265.50] I think it's a signal that the project has ambition in a certain direction. |
[266.26 --> 269.28] You know, if you think about all the other made-for programs, |
[269.28 --> 276.22] I think made-for-iPhone was probably one of, if not the first kind of certification sort of like this in our industry, |
[276.88 --> 282.80] it guarantees companies some kind of interface to develop against. |
[282.94 --> 285.12] So you look at the iPhone as the perfect example, right? |
[285.18 --> 288.16] They had that 30-pin dot connector for a decade. |
[288.46 --> 291.48] Now we've had the Lightning connector for, I think, a decade. |
[291.76 --> 295.76] And we're probably due USB-C on the iPhone any day now. |
[296.46 --> 297.58] We can hope, anyway. |
[297.58 --> 302.44] And so when I look at this announcement, I think, wow, geez, okay, cool. |
[302.52 --> 307.64] So if I'm, you know, making the cheapest possible thing I can, |
[307.72 --> 314.60] and I don't want to pay any license fees or minimal license fees to get a little cute label on the box |
[314.60 --> 319.14] to put it on the shelf in Home Depot or wherever it is around the world, |
[319.54 --> 322.18] that little blue Home Assistant logo looks pretty good, right? |
[322.30 --> 325.14] I mean, if you can put the Alexa one on there and the Google one on there, |
[325.14 --> 326.96] why not slap Home Assistant on there? |
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