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[327.58 --> 330.00] Yeah, and here's a couple of things about the program that I like. |
[330.58 --> 335.18] The program requires manufacturers to maintain the integration of their products in Home Assistant. |
[335.78 --> 341.38] They have to provide product samples and give engineering contacts for the Home Assistant team to escalate to. |
[341.74 --> 342.18] Huge. |
[343.46 --> 348.34] Manufacturers will be able to use the Works with Home Assistant badge in return on their products and documentation. |
[348.34 --> 356.22] And the terms of the Works with Home Assistant program are enforced in agreement signed by both Nebukasa and the manufacturers. |
[356.36 --> 358.60] So it's not just like they're handing these labels out. |
[358.86 --> 364.00] And so I think when I see one of these labels as a consumer, I'm going to be able to trust that it actually does work. |
[364.00 --> 365.26] And I'm not joking. |
[365.26 --> 370.08] Like, I would just filter on this and only buy these products. |
[370.26 --> 375.06] It really lives and dies in the manufacturer adoption. |
[375.78 --> 380.46] But what happens in a situation like we had, and I'm not saying it will happen soon, |
[380.46 --> 388.78] but like just happened with the Z-Wave stuff, your migration that you've been moaning about on air for ages and ages. |
[390.34 --> 395.60] What happens in 10 years time when Home Assistant needs to deprecate a certain interface, right? |
[395.82 --> 398.20] And I don't know what it is. |
[398.22 --> 398.92] I'm not even going to speculate. |
[399.08 --> 406.10] Let's say the replacement for MATA has come along and it deprecates support for all previous MATA devices for whatever reason. |
[406.10 --> 411.68] And I'm just making this up, but it had that made for Home Assistant logo on the box. |
[412.24 --> 415.26] What are the terms of this relationship? |
[415.54 --> 420.64] Is it a made for a specific year of Home Assistant releases? |
[420.64 --> 422.76] Is it made for 10 years? |
[422.88 --> 425.40] Like, what's the contract here? |
[425.40 --> 426.38] I would like to know. |
[426.50 --> 430.14] And if the Home Assistant team are listening, please tweet at me or let me know. |
[430.54 --> 435.56] Something like that, because it's important for us to know these details as nerds. |
[435.56 --> 439.32] I'm excited to hear who their first partner is, and I would love to hear more details. |
[439.48 --> 441.24] I think you're asking some good questions there. |
[441.68 --> 442.96] And maybe time will tell. |
[443.90 --> 448.22] When you said, when you called this, I want to say it was like back in December when you said something like this should come this year. |
[448.68 --> 452.46] It immediately clicked like, yes, this is exactly what they need. |
[452.52 --> 454.12] And this makes the experience so much better. |
[454.12 --> 462.84] And then you combine a program like this with something like the Home Assistant Yellow or, you know, a future iteration when the supply chain isn't all screwed up. |
[462.84 --> 465.36] A out of the box, ready to go. |
[465.46 --> 466.58] You drop it on your LAN. |
[466.84 --> 469.94] And then you just go buy the works with Home Assistant labeled devices. |
[469.94 --> 473.70] And everything's just out of the box, good to go. |
[474.56 --> 481.70] From Home Assistant, from Nebu Casa, you know, it's a huge potential revenue stream that I don't know if they're interested in. |
[481.82 --> 488.44] I think they should be if they want to help keep the business growing and, you know, make it a better overall product. |
[488.44 --> 504.16] I think we've seen over the years in this technological space that the only real way to have a cohesive user experience, and I'm talking like Apple level of integration here, is not convergence. |
[504.16 --> 512.12] And we saw that with the Ubuntu phone years ago and, you know, everything they did with the Unity desktop back in that era. |
[512.12 --> 518.38] The only way to have a cohesive user experience is to control everything, unfortunately. |
[518.90 --> 520.36] It's true, I think. |
[521.04 --> 529.38] And that means from all the way up from the Home Assistant Yellow all the way up to the light bulb I screw into my light fixture and everything in between. |
[529.90 --> 540.42] If they can offer a cohesive suite of hardware and software and have it all guaranteed to work together, no matter what, you know, air quotes, whatever that means. |
[540.42 --> 550.90] Then Home Assistant starts to become a viable recommend for people like me to slightly less technical members of my family. |
[551.14 --> 551.98] Yeah, yeah. |
[552.22 --> 558.22] Because right now, you know, it's the bastion of people that like to tinker. |
[558.34 --> 563.38] As much as Home Assistant has improved extra UI elements and wizards and blah, blah, blah. |
[563.54 --> 567.00] I mean, I rarely drop to the YAML these days, like I used to. |
[567.00 --> 568.86] But it's not perfect. |
[569.06 --> 576.40] And if something goes wrong within 10 minutes, it's still in the domain where you need to set it up for your non-technical friends and family. |
[576.62 --> 579.48] You could bring them a box and give it to them and show them the web UI. |
[579.58 --> 580.78] But you've already set up the dashboard. |
[581.00 --> 582.32] You've already integrated all the devices. |
[582.52 --> 583.98] You've already done all the network provisioning. |
[584.14 --> 585.58] You've managed all of that. |
[585.64 --> 589.26] And this helps transition it into a different phase. |
[589.26 --> 597.70] And just my last thoughts on this, and I hope this is a benefit that we continue to see just as Home Assistant as a community grows. |
[597.88 --> 605.72] But it means we have someone out there advocating for local API and local controls. |
[605.72 --> 612.94] But to that point, and this is raised in the Discord as we record, it's a bit of a slippery slope. |
[613.98 --> 626.66] And I am worried that works with Home Assistant, if you give it enough time, becomes doesn't work with other open standard. |
[627.18 --> 627.56] Maybe. |
[627.78 --> 629.58] I guess it depends on how the standard works. |
[629.76 --> 633.80] Because everything about Home Assistant would probably be open source in this regard, right? |
[633.86 --> 634.38] I mean, we'll see. |
[634.38 --> 636.02] I'm not saying they're going to pull an MB. |
[636.96 --> 638.48] But who knows, you know? |
[638.70 --> 642.44] And the other thing is, what about the testing that's done? |
[642.92 --> 647.62] Are they, as an open source project, going to publish all the testing of their hardware vendors? |
[647.78 --> 651.30] I can't imagine many hardware vendors wanting to sign up to that. |
[651.48 --> 655.34] But as an open source project, do they not have a duty to do that? |
[655.40 --> 655.72] I don't know. |
[655.74 --> 656.60] I'm just asking the question. |
[657.10 --> 661.60] Questions that we will probably get answers to over time, but may not like them all. |
[661.60 --> 665.76] We got a message into the show via the Jupiter Broadcasting Telegram group. |
[666.08 --> 667.28] And it was just a simple question. |
[667.34 --> 669.54] Hey, do you guys use a self-hosted to-do app? |
[670.18 --> 674.78] And it's funny because this is exactly something I've been looking to host in my RV right now. |
[674.84 --> 677.84] Something I could really focus just on road trips and stuff like that. |
[677.84 --> 682.76] And I came across, I'm going to attempt to say it's Vikunja. |
[683.16 --> 686.60] V-I-K-U-N-J-A. |
[686.76 --> 690.94] It's a self-hostable, really good-looking to-do app. |
[691.18 --> 697.66] And it has a little bit of everything that I like from inboxes for different tasks. |
[697.66 --> 707.04] It has namespace and user sharing so you can collect different projects together and then share them with somebody like, you know, a spouse or a family member or a friend. |
[707.26 --> 708.96] It has team support. |
[709.54 --> 714.80] And, of course, it also offers a hosted version, which you could just pay for if you'd like. |
[715.02 --> 717.86] They include a how to use it in Docker guide. |
[717.86 --> 720.68] So that's probably the route I would take if I were to deploy this. |
[720.98 --> 721.56] I haven't yet. |
[722.46 --> 727.92] But I'd love to get any feedback from anyone out there in the audience that's either used this or another self-hosted to-do app. |
[728.36 --> 730.22] This, to me, seems like the one to beat. |
[730.60 --> 734.60] You can find it at V-I-K-U-N-J-A dot cloud. |
[735.40 --> 737.54] And, yep, it's got Kanban boards, Alex. |
[737.58 --> 738.80] I know how you like your Kanban. |
[739.30 --> 739.54] Me? |
[739.94 --> 744.66] Oh, it just gives me the heebie-jeebies of, like, Trello and Jira. |
[745.10 --> 746.14] Yep, yep, yep. |
[746.14 --> 750.54] So did you ever really stop and think about self-hosting your to-do stuff? |
[750.74 --> 751.84] I've got to be honest with you. |
[751.88 --> 756.38] I think I just fell into using apps on my phone, which are connected to proprietary services. |
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