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[1500.30 --> 1501.86] They're going to do more things in your life.
[1501.86 --> 1505.66] And then they just have that automatic pipeline to your local friendly authorities.
[1506.28 --> 1512.52] And both are becoming more and more real, tangible risks to everyday people.
[1513.12 --> 1513.86] Couldn't agree with you more.
[1514.04 --> 1518.54] And it's got me looking for ways to back up my Gmail in the last few days.
[1518.54 --> 1524.54] I actually put a thread in the self-hosted subreddit today as we record.
[1524.64 --> 1528.28] It's Wednesday the day before or two days before this episode airs.
[1528.36 --> 1531.54] So maybe there'll be some more answers to that thread in the meantime.
[1531.86 --> 1533.66] I'll put a link to it in the show notes, of course.
[1534.36 --> 1537.26] Lots of people suggest using Thunderbird as a backup.
[1537.50 --> 1544.02] I I'm not sure if I agree with that as a backup per se, because it still requires some
[1544.02 --> 1548.78] kind of a desktop environment in order for Thunderbird to run, as far as I'm aware.
[1549.08 --> 1550.26] Yeah, you'd have to fire it up, right?
[1550.34 --> 1550.92] And keep it going.
[1551.14 --> 1551.66] Yeah, exactly.
[1552.04 --> 1553.12] There are other options.
[1553.30 --> 1556.18] Apparently, offline IMAP plus DoveCot is another one.
[1556.50 --> 1559.62] And that will be usable with any mail software that uses SMTP.
[1560.74 --> 1564.02] There's lots of other people talking about different ways to sync IMAP.
[1564.26 --> 1567.72] Apparently, there is a Docker Thunderbird image, I'm told, in the chat as an option.
[1568.10 --> 1569.68] So that will work quietly in the background.
[1570.34 --> 1573.60] But one that a listener recommended to me in Discord this afternoon
[1573.60 --> 1578.76] was one called Got Your Back from the GAM team, G-Y-B.
[1579.52 --> 1580.70] Again, link in the show notes.
[1581.18 --> 1585.12] This is a command line tool for backing up your Gmail messages to your computer
[1585.12 --> 1588.18] using Gmail's API over HTTPS.
[1588.42 --> 1593.42] So I had a quick spin of this before the show, just on my laptop, which is a MacBook.
[1594.72 --> 1596.82] And it was a little fiddly to get set up.
[1596.94 --> 1600.52] You know, if you've ever set up an API key for like Google Maps or anything like that
[1600.52 --> 1604.64] and created a no-auth application with a client secret and a client token and what have you,
[1605.20 --> 1606.18] it was a little bit fiddly.
[1606.40 --> 1607.94] Probably took about 10 minutes to get it going.
[1608.60 --> 1611.54] I put it on one of my lesser-known Gmail accounts.
[1611.62 --> 1613.44] It only has about 10,000 emails in it.
[1613.50 --> 1615.50] Not my primary one as the first try.
[1616.50 --> 1618.66] And it works perfectly.
[1618.88 --> 1620.18] Works exactly as advertised.
[1620.18 --> 1623.72] All 10,000 messages were downloaded in .eml format.
[1624.20 --> 1629.92] I was then able to open those with the mail client on Mac, view them in their full HTML glory,
[1630.54 --> 1631.36] and it just worked.
[1632.06 --> 1635.48] Hey, I like that it's command line, that it's basically a bash script,
[1635.60 --> 1636.84] because then I could just cron that.
[1637.22 --> 1639.08] That is something worth mentioning, actually.
[1639.24 --> 1642.56] The project seems a little immature in some ways to me,
[1642.56 --> 1650.94] because there's an issue in their GitHub where someone said that their wiki is open to public edits,
[1651.74 --> 1657.80] and some insidious individual decided to change the download location of the binary
[1657.80 --> 1663.36] or one of the scripts or something, so that it wasn't the official developer's script,
[1663.54 --> 1667.94] and so some people had some unverified binaries being downloaded.
[1668.90 --> 1669.32] Oh, no.
[1669.32 --> 1672.42] And you never really know how many people got that and what's in there.
[1672.56 --> 1673.44] That's too bad.
[1673.52 --> 1674.64] Yeah, that's early day stuff.
[1675.28 --> 1678.68] You know, if anybody out there in the audience knows of a way to do this,
[1679.18 --> 1681.94] something you could automate, but just the whole account,
[1682.04 --> 1685.06] like the Google Takeout functionality, boost in your answer,
[1685.12 --> 1689.54] because I'd like to just back up everything, and then, I don't know,
[1690.00 --> 1692.30] I'm on the edge of going over there and hitting delete.
[1692.54 --> 1693.80] I am on the edge, man.
[1694.32 --> 1697.96] If you've got the skills, you've got the infrastructure, you've got the tools,
[1697.96 --> 1699.30] it's really a matter of time.
[1699.48 --> 1704.20] So I think what I've got to do is figure out a weekend where this is,
[1704.26 --> 1706.98] I just get it done, you know, and then I get everything set up,
[1707.02 --> 1708.36] and then I go just delete it.
[1708.52 --> 1714.04] And I hope, I hope to Linus that they actually truly delete it when I tell them to delete it,
[1714.04 --> 1715.48] because who really knows?
[1715.84 --> 1716.52] Who really knows?
[1716.88 --> 1717.58] Who really knows?
[1718.22 --> 1719.72] Now, this is another topic.
[1719.82 --> 1720.50] This is photos.
[1720.70 --> 1723.60] This is a little bit unrelated to Gmail itself,
[1723.60 --> 1727.00] but obviously it's a fundamental part of the Google experience.
[1727.20 --> 1731.08] There is a new self-hosted app on the scene called Image.
[1731.34 --> 1733.70] Now, I haven't checked this out yet, actually, in person,
[1733.84 --> 1737.02] because the developer states very clearly,
[1737.16 --> 1739.12] this is not yet ready for production usage,
[1739.28 --> 1741.80] and I don't really want to put my photos through it yet.
[1742.30 --> 1744.68] However, every time I see this pop up on Reddit,
[1744.92 --> 1747.62] it gets absolutely covered in praise.
[1748.30 --> 1750.54] Everybody has nothing but good things to say about it.
[1750.54 --> 1752.52] So I'm watching this project extremely closely.
[1753.26 --> 1755.40] I've had several people mail in and tell me about it.
[1755.56 --> 1756.16] Don't worry.
[1756.42 --> 1757.70] It's on our radar.
[1757.88 --> 1758.62] We will cover it,
[1758.68 --> 1761.32] but once it goes into a, air quotes,
[1761.48 --> 1763.00] production-ready state.
[1763.66 --> 1764.82] Yeah, I'll keep an eye on it for sure.
[1765.38 --> 1765.62] You know?
[1766.10 --> 1768.28] Heck, I might even throw a few photos in there when it's in, you know,
[1768.30 --> 1768.96] an earlier state.
[1769.10 --> 1771.14] But yeah, I wouldn't want to switch the whole library over.
[1771.30 --> 1773.00] But Image, I like the name.
[1773.66 --> 1774.94] We'll have a link in the show notes.
[1777.34 --> 1780.10] humio.com slash H-C-E.
[1780.54 --> 1783.90] Go ingest all of your logs and view them in one place.
[1784.38 --> 1789.32] Humio is a centralized log management and observability platform.
[1789.66 --> 1792.62] The company was founded by developers in Denmark in 2016,
[1792.94 --> 1795.70] and they've really been building something incredible since then.
[1795.98 --> 1797.42] I think the real beauty of Humio,
[1797.50 --> 1798.70] the thing they've really cracked,