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[473.82 --> 474.54] It's perfect timing.
[474.76 --> 475.90] They actually shipped it.
[476.08 --> 476.66] I got it.
[476.82 --> 478.06] I can't believe it.
[478.36 --> 479.24] I can't believe it.
[479.68 --> 484.12] I think what I want to do is first is I want to, I want to load desktop Linux on here just to see what it's like.
[484.14 --> 488.36] And then I'll wipe it off immediately and start building, I think, a Nix OS server.
[488.78 --> 489.74] I mean, it looks amazing.
[489.74 --> 491.80] And I shared it with you for this exact reason.
[491.84 --> 493.34] It's got a passive heatsink on it.
[493.34 --> 499.82] So, you know, it can run completely, completely silently, which is perfect for a small space like the RV.
[500.48 --> 501.22] Yes, totally.
[501.62 --> 513.68] The only thing I would change about it, and I don't have one, but the only thing I would change about it is the fact that both of those Nix are Realtek 2.5 gig Nix.
[514.08 --> 520.04] I would have preferred two Intel Nix just simply for better hardware compatibility reasons.
[520.04 --> 529.78] You know, Realtek's probably fine, but if ever I've had a Nix issue in the past, it's been not an Intel Nix and a Quantia or Realtek or something like that.
[530.18 --> 534.20] Whereas Intel Nix just work and it takes all the problems away.
[534.74 --> 536.52] But anyway, I'm nitpicking.
[536.78 --> 538.52] Otherwise, it's a fantastic looking board.
[539.06 --> 542.16] I imagine they'll be fine, but I also 100% agree with you.
[542.16 --> 547.52] I would also prefer that, though I'm just excited to have a Nix that isn't on the USB bus.
[547.98 --> 549.48] So, you know, that's good, too.
[549.68 --> 552.14] I don't think it was for the Pi 4, but it is for most of the Pis.
[552.32 --> 558.84] And if you wanted to ever add a secondary Nix to the Raspberry Pi to, like, use it for a firewall or something like that, you would be doing that over USB.
[559.40 --> 562.06] So for me, it's like, OK, at least they're on the PCI bus.
[562.16 --> 564.18] And then it would be nice if they were Intel.
[564.38 --> 566.10] But I'll take on the PCI bus.
[566.10 --> 567.28] So what are you going to run on it?
[567.52 --> 569.94] Proxmox and then virtualize like Home Assistant that way?
[570.24 --> 572.70] Oh, I should consider Proxmox, huh?
[573.42 --> 578.44] Well, you know, I'd still kind of subscribe to the no container theory for a lot of this stuff.
[578.52 --> 580.22] And Nix OS would be really good for that.
[580.52 --> 583.10] But it does make a lot of sense to have Proxmox sitting on there.
[583.16 --> 586.02] And I shouldn't have any problem passing QuickSync through, right?
[586.06 --> 586.72] That should be fine.
[587.04 --> 588.64] So what would you need to pass it through for?
[589.18 --> 589.42] Plex.
[589.72 --> 595.44] Yeah, I mean, we'll come on to this topic later in the show because it's actually been coming up quite a lot in Discord lately about LXC versus
[595.44 --> 598.60] Docker versus VMs, all that kind of stuff.
[598.70 --> 599.92] We'll come to that later.
[600.08 --> 601.20] Please remind me if I forget.
[602.02 --> 608.06] But in the meantime, I also saw another update in the news feed this week that I thought would make you a happy little bunny.
[608.68 --> 612.56] Apple with, I think, iOS 16.1 are actually shipping.
[612.86 --> 613.48] It's real.
[613.58 --> 615.10] It's really happening, people.
[615.88 --> 616.78] They're shipping matter.
[618.08 --> 619.38] This is my week, man.
[619.38 --> 620.54] This is my week.
[620.96 --> 622.38] It's all coming together, buddy.
[622.64 --> 624.78] And the thing is, they're shipping it on the HomePod.
[624.78 --> 626.86] They're updating the HomePod to support matter.
[627.06 --> 635.08] And they just announced today as we record a new Apple TV and the fancier version that has Ethernet also supports thread and matter.
[635.16 --> 639.00] So they're, I mean, surprisingly going all in for Apple, at least.
[639.60 --> 644.62] I don't really know if this changes what I'm going to do hardware wise in terms of like sensors and devices yet.
[644.62 --> 651.94] But I am curious what it means for accessibility of Apple's remote control features to like Home Assistant.
[652.48 --> 659.78] Like when Home Assistant gets their hands on this, maybe I'll have remote integrated control even better than I did before without even having to use HomeKit at all or something.
[660.32 --> 661.22] That would be nice, wouldn't it?
[661.30 --> 661.46] Yeah.
[661.56 --> 662.28] Yeah, maybe not.
[662.82 --> 671.74] What's important about this update coming out now, Apple being the first mover, I think, in actually shipping, you know, provider level support for this stuff.
[671.74 --> 673.84] That's a very strange place for Apple to be.
[674.50 --> 675.86] But anyway, you've already got HomePods.
[675.94 --> 676.94] You've already got Apple TVs.
[677.34 --> 690.04] So for you, you could just purchase one or two Matter devices and kind of dip your toe in nice and early and get a feeling for it without having to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on all new sensors and all new whatever.
[690.04 --> 696.60] And you can just do a couple of things and kind of drip feed this stuff in as support lands in Home Assistant and that kind of stuff.
[697.06 --> 698.54] Which is probably the best way to go, right?
[698.78 --> 707.34] Because I guess if history is to be our teacher, it's very possible that the Rev1 devices could be kind of so-so and this thing takes a couple of revisions.
[707.70 --> 708.10] No.
[709.10 --> 709.50] No.
[710.10 --> 711.72] The first iPhone was perfect.
[711.86 --> 712.36] Yeah, right.
[712.52 --> 712.76] Right.
[712.80 --> 713.22] Of course.
[713.34 --> 716.12] And the first wireless communications protocols are always perfect, too.
[716.52 --> 716.78] Yeah.
[716.78 --> 722.46] I'm seeing the reaction to the H3, the Odroid H3 that we just talked about in the Discord chat.
[722.82 --> 726.42] It's probably a good job you got one because I think half our audience are about to buy one.
[726.92 --> 731.36] I've got to imagine they would be because it seems like the perfect device for what we do.
[731.46 --> 733.76] I mean, low power but performance where it counts.
[734.42 --> 736.94] NVMe storage instead of an EMMC or SSD.
[737.70 --> 740.32] And, of course, having those two SATA ports.
[740.32 --> 741.80] I have a request for you.
[741.90 --> 746.78] Could you do some energy monitoring for us and, like, compare what a pie draws versus this thing?
[747.32 --> 752.98] Because my argument to you for all these years has been, look how much more powerful x86 is for the same power budget.
[753.28 --> 756.84] So I'm curious as to what that, in reality, is that true or not?
[757.00 --> 757.16] Yeah.
[757.42 --> 758.38] Yeah, that's a great thing to check.
[758.44 --> 758.68] I will.
[759.14 --> 764.22] I'm also wondering, you know, should I figure out what my power budget is?
[764.22 --> 769.40] I've always just kind of played fast and loose, you know, three, four pies down to two pies.
[769.84 --> 775.30] So if I look at that, like, what would four pies have taken versus having everything on just two devices?
[775.54 --> 780.28] The yellow, which I expect is going to be, you know, what a CM4 takes plus a little bit more.
[780.64 --> 783.94] And then now this H-Droid or Odroid H3.
[785.40 --> 788.70] I'm expecting somewhere around five to six watts idle.
[788.94 --> 790.58] And then who knows when it's ramped up?
[790.72 --> 791.48] We'll find out.
[791.94 --> 792.98] You just got to figure it out, eh?
[793.52 --> 794.06] Figure it out.
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