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[2973.68 --> 2975.58] because there's credit card processing fees, |
[2975.94 --> 2976.98] there's Patreon's fee, |
[2977.08 --> 2978.20] that isn't reflected in that. |
[2978.46 --> 2979.32] And then you have about |
[2979.32 --> 2981.16] a 5 to 10% credit card failure rate. |
[2981.16 --> 2981.72] And then, |
[2981.84 --> 2982.64] so that's your, |
[2982.82 --> 2983.98] then after you cover all of that, |
[2984.04 --> 2984.90] that's the actual revenue. |
[2985.02 --> 2985.24] So there, |
[2985.66 --> 2986.40] I bet you, |
[2986.40 --> 2987.28] legitimately, |
[2987.52 --> 2988.64] they're probably making |
[2988.64 --> 2990.42] 5,400 a month from Patreon, |
[2990.58 --> 2991.06] but that's still |
[2991.06 --> 2991.98] a decent amount of money, |
[2992.06 --> 2993.44] but it's not going to pay |
[2993.44 --> 2994.16] for this ambitious, |
[2994.36 --> 2995.86] huge Linux foundation size company. |
[2995.86 --> 2997.04] That's going to pay for |
[2997.04 --> 2998.82] VPS costs, |
[2999.08 --> 2999.36] right? |
[2999.54 --> 3001.78] But we need Matrix desperately. |
[3002.50 --> 3002.66] You know, |
[3002.72 --> 3003.66] as I've been switching, |
[3003.74 --> 3003.98] because you know, |
[3004.00 --> 3004.90] I'm an Android user now, |
[3005.00 --> 3005.40] by the way, |
[3005.44 --> 3005.66] guys, |
[3005.92 --> 3008.46] as I've been using Android |
[3008.46 --> 3010.32] and I've been trying to solve |
[3010.32 --> 3011.30] for iMessage, |
[3011.30 --> 3014.34] the best solution I came back to |
[3014.34 --> 3015.30] was either something like |
[3015.30 --> 3016.08] NextCloud Chat, |
[3016.18 --> 3017.86] which is very specific to my setup, |
[3018.26 --> 3019.24] but honestly, |
[3020.18 --> 3020.42] Matrix, |
[3020.78 --> 3023.08] with a really friendly |
[3023.08 --> 3024.36] front-end client |
[3024.36 --> 3025.18] called Fluffy Chat, |
[3025.58 --> 3026.94] because I can either |
[3026.94 --> 3028.10] just use Matrix.org, |
[3028.18 --> 3028.72] I could use the |
[3028.72 --> 3029.96] Jupyter Broadcasting System, |
[3030.10 --> 3032.04] I could set up a family-specific server, |
[3032.66 --> 3034.16] I can connect all of them, |
[3034.78 --> 3036.06] Fluffy Chat has the features |
[3036.06 --> 3037.48] of a modern chat client |
[3037.48 --> 3038.34] like Telegram, |
[3038.34 --> 3040.36] it just checks all the boxes |
[3040.36 --> 3043.28] and I really want that |
[3043.28 --> 3044.02] to be a resource |
[3044.02 --> 3044.90] that I can use |
[3044.90 --> 3047.28] potentially for the next 15 years. |
[3048.12 --> 3048.24] You know, |
[3048.26 --> 3049.58] it could be my messaging plumbing |
[3049.58 --> 3051.42] for a decade plus |
[3051.42 --> 3053.24] if they can make it sustainable, |
[3053.48 --> 3054.84] but they've got to also |
[3054.84 --> 3057.30] come up with some membership programs |
[3057.30 --> 3058.12] that maybe like, |
[3058.28 --> 3059.04] as a company, |
[3060.18 --> 3061.34] JB could contribute. |
[3061.56 --> 3062.90] The other issue though |
[3062.90 --> 3063.36] is that |
[3063.36 --> 3065.62] it's hard because for us, |
[3066.14 --> 3066.98] Matrix is a |
[3066.98 --> 3068.62] decent-sized cost center, |
[3069.36 --> 3069.50] right, |
[3069.56 --> 3070.64] where we spend money |
[3070.64 --> 3071.90] just to run Matrix, |
[3072.28 --> 3073.20] to manage Matrix, |
[3073.36 --> 3074.16] the system it's on |
[3074.16 --> 3075.62] is a 96-core system |
[3075.62 --> 3076.66] with like |
[3076.66 --> 3078.40] hundreds of gigs of RAM, |
[3078.52 --> 3078.70] right, |
[3078.70 --> 3079.68] it's not a cheap box. |
[3080.10 --> 3080.64] And all of that, |
[3080.76 --> 3080.88] like, |
[3080.96 --> 3081.38] it's all, |
[3081.48 --> 3082.22] all of these things |
[3082.22 --> 3082.94] are like cost centers |
[3082.94 --> 3084.06] for everybody that's doing this, |
[3084.10 --> 3084.26] so. |
[3084.80 --> 3086.26] If it was an easy problem to solve, |
[3086.72 --> 3087.40] we wouldn't be having |
[3087.40 --> 3088.08] this conversation. |
[3088.62 --> 3089.92] And it's a problem |
[3089.92 --> 3090.98] and a conversation |
[3090.98 --> 3091.84] that we have time |
[3091.84 --> 3092.94] and time and time again |
[3092.94 --> 3095.28] with free and open source software. |
[3095.28 --> 3096.08] And I think people |
[3096.08 --> 3097.86] in the normal world |
[3097.86 --> 3098.48] conflate |
[3098.48 --> 3099.94] free and open |
[3099.94 --> 3103.04] with free and no cost. |
[3103.86 --> 3106.24] And that's clearly not true. |
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