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[1006.74 --> 1008.24] I mean, really, all the way down to the image. |
[1008.64 --> 1013.94] Or you can pick one of their ready-to-go application stacks and get it deployed in just one or two clicks. |
[1014.12 --> 1016.36] And the performance is great. |
[1017.14 --> 1023.78] Anything that faces the JB audience that we've built in the last, I don't know, two and a half years, we've built it on Linode. |
[1023.78 --> 1030.16] And I would imagine now, as being a part of Akamai, they're going to get access to Akamai's CDN. |
[1030.58 --> 1035.38] I was quite surprised when I heard the news, but I contacted a couple of our friends that we know that work there at Linode. |
[1035.94 --> 1037.32] And they seem pretty excited. |
[1037.52 --> 1043.82] In fact, they're working on a new secret product, a new Linode product offering that'll be coming out soon. |
[1043.88 --> 1044.96] That's still all in the works. |
[1045.52 --> 1051.92] And you know another thing that's really cool is the day that announcement dropped, we actually have Linode employees on the self-hosted Discord. |
[1051.92 --> 1056.80] And they were there answering our audience's questions about what does this mean for the future of the company. |
[1057.28 --> 1059.84] And I think a lot of fears were kind of put to rest that day. |
[1060.20 --> 1062.54] Yeah, they really have been part of the community for a while. |
[1062.78 --> 1068.18] I met them the same time I met you at Texas Linux Fest, you know, years ago now. |
[1068.26 --> 1069.24] It feels like 100 years ago. |
[1069.74 --> 1073.76] That was when I really realized they're actually in it because they wanted to be. |
[1073.76 --> 1077.58] Like they were passionate about being at Texas Linux Fest and made a good impression on me. |
[1078.18 --> 1082.60] So if you're ready to go spin something up, you want to go experiment or do a little R&D, go try it out on Linode. |
[1083.04 --> 1085.58] Go to linode.com slash SSH. |
[1087.62 --> 1092.38] So in the news this week, TrueNAS Scale is finally at release. |
[1092.86 --> 1094.22] Can you believe it, Alex? |
[1094.68 --> 1096.66] This was like announced in the summer of 2020. |
[1096.66 --> 1102.98] It has been a very methodical development process to get us here. |
[1103.08 --> 1107.16] And the big news with Scale is it's based on Debian 11, not FreeBSD. |
[1108.08 --> 1108.44] Right, yeah. |
[1108.52 --> 1115.00] I mean, back in the old days, TrueNAS is the product formerly known as FreeNAS, of course. |
[1115.30 --> 1117.60] In fact, there is still a variant based on FreeBSD. |
[1118.34 --> 1119.54] That's TrueNAS Core. |
[1119.54 --> 1122.96] This one, TrueNAS Scale, is based on Linux. |
[1123.20 --> 1129.40] And obviously this is made possible by some of the amazing work that's been done by the ZFS on Linux project. |
[1129.92 --> 1133.02] This TrueNAS product is still ZFS first. |
[1133.32 --> 1138.02] It's still the primary storage file system that they recommend and kind of push in the OS. |
[1138.26 --> 1143.74] And everything else around that is kind of orthogonal to that original premise of ZFS first. |
[1144.18 --> 1146.62] Yeah, ZFS with Gluster. |
[1146.62 --> 1157.38] They kind of position TrueNAS Scale as a product that works great if you want to scale out your storage across multiple systems. |
[1158.04 --> 1162.90] And they use Helm on the back end to manage all of this with like a Kubernetes system. |
[1163.12 --> 1168.72] So you could see how like when you scale that out, that back end management system scales with it. |
[1168.80 --> 1175.20] When you're deploying, say, like a Docker container on TrueNAS Scale, it's actually being orchestrated with Helm on the back end. |
[1175.20 --> 1176.80] I think that's fascinating. |
[1177.00 --> 1179.32] It must have been a ton of work to get all that working right too. |
[1179.76 --> 1183.94] They really are pitching this as a ZFS plus Gluster. |
[1184.30 --> 1185.78] And I'm curious what you think of that. |
[1186.16 --> 1186.58] Well, it's interesting. |
[1186.68 --> 1190.00] I mean, I've done a lot of work with Gluster through my OpenShift stuff at work. |
[1190.00 --> 1207.86] And all I can tell you is that with version 3 of OpenShift, we used to ship Gluster to customers, to end customers using a tool called Heceti to do a lot of the automated volume management of persistent volume claims and stuff like that on top of the underlying Gluster storage. |
[1207.86 --> 1217.38] All I'll say about it is we don't ship Gluster with version 4 of OpenShift because it wasn't very reliable. |
[1218.04 --> 1218.18] Gotcha. |
[1218.56 --> 1220.52] Based on customer feedback, you might say. |
[1220.92 --> 1221.34] Yeah. |
[1221.50 --> 1229.38] I mean, you've got to say like you look at the scale that Red Hat operates at and, you know, we battle test our stuff in development. |
[1229.38 --> 1244.22] But the real test is when you put it into production on customer sites and the reality, at least, for some of the incredible scale at which the OpenShift clusters that I work on operate at is it just wasn't up to the job. |
[1244.88 --> 1248.24] Now, for smaller deployments, sure, it's okay. |
[1248.36 --> 1249.18] I think it'll be fine. |
[1249.22 --> 1251.10] It'll get the job done for a handful of servers. |
[1251.10 --> 1259.48] I mean, the thing with Kubernetes in particular is it can spin up hundreds of pods within a space of a minute or two. |
[1260.06 --> 1270.18] And sometimes each of those pods is making a request to the API underneath to request certain things and just things, they're not really designed to handle that kind of scale. |
[1270.66 --> 1275.26] But I don't necessarily think that TrueNAS is kind of going after that particular market. |
[1275.26 --> 1287.28] I mean, we look at the marketing materials and you could be forgiven for being given a bingo card and sort of crossing things off, looking at the things they've got, you know, Docker, KVM, Kubernetes, scaling, all this kind of stuff. |
[1287.38 --> 1290.22] And I just, I look at it and wonder who it's for. |
[1290.54 --> 1294.30] It's a serious storage appliance product. |
[1295.02 --> 1305.14] But if I'm looking for a serious storage appliance product, wouldn't I go to NetApp or Dell EMC or insert other major storage vendor here? |
[1305.26 --> 1308.96] I don't know what niche is TrueNAS aimed at. |
[1309.02 --> 1312.10] Is it home users like FreeNAS started out being? |
[1312.24 --> 1314.12] Is it small, medium businesses? |
[1314.86 --> 1315.62] I'm genuinely curious. |
[1315.62 --> 1321.98] If you use TrueNAS as part of your daily workflow and you're not just a home user, let me know. |
[1323.12 --> 1324.76] Selfhosted.show slash contact. |
[1325.36 --> 1333.50] I think this is targeted at like your Linus Media Group sized companies that have a lot of storage needs. |
[1333.50 --> 1338.28] And they also want to do KVM virtualization with GPU pass-through and that kind of stuff. |
[1338.52 --> 1339.16] Or JB. |
[1339.68 --> 1342.62] You know, we have three physical x86 servers now. |
[1342.98 --> 1348.98] And you could see using this to turn all three systems into one large storage system. |
[1349.20 --> 1352.48] And take advantage of running applications across them. |
[1353.14 --> 1354.90] And VMs. |
[1354.94 --> 1356.82] I mean, I'm almost talking myself into it. |
[1356.84 --> 1358.98] Just actually, you know, saying it right now. |
[1358.98 --> 1362.78] The reality is, I think, small to medium business. |
[1363.32 --> 1368.16] I think people who were maybe buying a high-end QNAP or Synology or... |
[1368.16 --> 1371.68] What is that NAS software that Linus Media Group uses? |
[1372.02 --> 1372.34] Unraid. |
[1372.68 --> 1372.90] Unraid. |
[1372.96 --> 1373.84] We've talked about Unraid on the show. |
[1374.00 --> 1377.64] Like, they may be going after a little bit of Unraid's market as well here, I think. |
[1377.92 --> 1380.22] Yeah, Unraid was where I cut my teeth in Linux, darling. |
[1380.58 --> 1380.78] You know? |
[1380.98 --> 1381.72] Yes, I remember. |
[1382.26 --> 1387.82] In fact, I think we both, you know, we both are actually kind of fond of Unraid, even though neither one of us have used it in quite a while. |
[1388.00 --> 1390.30] But it definitely serves a market niche. |
[1390.62 --> 1395.36] And FreeNAS scale feels like it's going after that market. |
[1395.56 --> 1399.10] But they also say, we also have a way to go even bigger. |
[1399.36 --> 1404.60] And, you know, so maybe if your storage needs ever start really getting big, we've got other solutions here for you as well. |
[1404.84 --> 1406.90] It's an interesting pitch, for sure. |
[1406.98 --> 1409.68] And I'll be curious to see how it plays out over the next few years. |
[1409.68 --> 1416.76] Now, I thought I'd spin it up in the name of science slash content and see how it performs. |
[1417.08 --> 1422.00] So I built a new backup server in January, which somehow I haven't talked about on the show yet. |
[1422.32 --> 1423.28] Oh, criminal. |
[1423.44 --> 1424.40] I've kind of been meaning to. |
[1424.50 --> 1426.98] Anyway, I'll go into more detail in a future episode. |
[1427.12 --> 1435.42] But the quick pitch is it's a local box on my LAN that just duplicates the ZFS array from my basement to my attic. |
[1435.42 --> 1442.28] Right. So it's opposite ends of the house. If a pipe bursts or something happens at one end of the house, it's OK at the other. |
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