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**Jerod Santo:** I thought that might be coming, because I read that you're a Vim guy, and I thought "There's no way Jake's not gonna have support for his favorite editor through some sort of fashion." |
**Jake Zimmerman:** Yup. No, t works completely fine in Vim over LSP. |
**Jerod Santo:** Sweet. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What about tracking adoption? I see there's two documents here in your docs... Adopting Sorbet, which is outlined, as you mentioned, and then you also have tracking it. How important is it to track adoption when you begin to incrementally bring it in? Who's tracking the adoption? |
**Jake Zimmerman:** I'd say that the tracking adoption, the metrics one is more focused for larger companies that are going to be staffing the effort to ad types as like a proper project. The nice thing is you want to give other stakeholders at your company visibility into the progress that you're making... And there's... |
The first thing you asked me was how many files does Sorbet have type-checked in Stripe's codebase, and - yeah, it'll print those out, so that you never have to be in the dark about how much progress you're making. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[55:59\] I also see TypeScript versus -- I guess versus, or comparative to Sorbet as a document. I'd imagine, since you all use TypeScript on the frontend, and then on the backend Ruby, obviously... This Sorbet type checker - you're wanting to keep the mental gymnastics to a low. So what is this do... |
**Jake Zimmerman:** I think that doc is one big table that kind of like "If you know this type system feature, and the name for it in TypeScript has this name, here's the corresponding name in Sorbet's type system." Because again, people are way more familiar -- for a lot of people, TypeScript is people's only experien... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Earlier in the show you said - I'm gonna paraphrase - something to the fact that types will win in the end, or it's a type world... Restate that, and give us the synopsis of why you think that's true. |
**Jake Zimmerman:** I just -- yeah, part of it is just a fanatical belief, and part of it is I just live and breathe the benefits of type checkers every day. And especially once you get to the point where you can no longer hold the codebase in one person's head, where you have to start collaborating on a codebase with ... |
So just - again, we've kind of talked about this at the beginning, where the language that you use changes the way that you think, and changes the way that you approach problems, and languages with type systems I think give you such strong vocabulary for how you can structure your thoughts. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Did you say "Types will win in the end?" What was the exact phrasing? Lay it down hard. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] We're trying to name this episode; we're trying to get you to nail it down so we can name it that. |
**Jake Zimmerman:** Yeah, let's -- I mean, now that I know I'm on the book for figuring out what it is... I will say like - yeah, types will win in the end, just because they're so much more... Yup. This kind of harkens back to my schooling days, where I had professors who were super-fanatical about types, and they kin... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** There you go. |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright, last question for me... You are a type fanatic, working in a dynamic language, which you seem to have much respect for, at least on display, and you have a cool job, so surely you want to keep it... But if you were to not have to use Ruby... Like, if you were just like Jake Zimmerman start fro... |
**Jake Zimmerman:** So when I was in school, almost all of our classes were either in C, which is just - everyone should learn C at some point - or they were in this language called Standard ML. Standard ML is not a very widely-known language, but it was kind of one of the first languages to really pioneer algebraic da... |
**Jerod Santo:** Very cool. I'm looking at the Wikipedia, "Influenced: Elm, F\#, Haskell, OCaml, Python, Rust and Scala." So a lot of influence, like you said, on other languages... I guess at the end of the day Rust will win... \[laughter\] Rust will win at the end, because Jake says so. |
Cool. Adam, any other questions on your end before we let him go? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:00:22.15\] I'm clear. I almost brought back in "Cold ice cream and hot kisses", because... Sorbet. But whatever. |
**Jerod Santo:** Ah. Don't do it. Jake probably hasn't heard that episode yet. \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** He's like, "What are you talking about?" |
**Jake Zimmerman:** The funny part about the naming of Sorbet is I'm not even a huge fan of Sorbet. \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, no... |
**Jake Zimmerman:** I really like ice cream better. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What exactly is Sorbet? |
**Jake Zimmerman:** I think it's more of like a dairy-free alternative to frozen deserts... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, like strawberry usually, or... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, it's like a snow cone of sorts, right? Similar to that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Sort of... |
**Jake Zimmerman:** That's the other funny part, is I don't think it's typically served in a cone, but our logo definitely has it with a cone. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, it does. |
**Jerod Santo:** Now we know what's holding back adoption; it's just a cognitive overload... \[laughter\] "What is this Sorbet thing?!" I think it's a cool name, just because it's different, and memorable. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It is. Well, that's half the battle. I mean, Go, for example, is a challenging language to operate around when it comes to finding information, because it's just a good name, but poorly named in reference to the fact that everything goes somewhere. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's overloaded. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You have to say "Golang", which is basically frowned upon by anybody who writes Go daily. Like, Golang is not part of their lexicon at all. |
**Jerod Santo:** They have like weird rules around this. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** They do. |
**Jerod Santo:** Just social norms. Like, you can type Golang, but you shouldn't say Golang. I'm like "I don't know all these rules, people..." |
**Jake Zimmerman:** There's definitely a similar problem with Sorbet, where if you try and search like Sorbet, a thing that I need to search for, half the time it'll just show you like recipe sites. |
**Jerod Santo:** You're gonna get some frozen sherbert, or whatever it is. Well, you landed Sorbet.org, which is a sweet website, considering in 2017 most websites were overtaken by them... But just one single word, got the.org, so I mean, that's good. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, that's good stuff. |
**Jake Zimmerman:** Yeah, it was definitely -- I was excited to get that one. There's actually quite a few good domain names out there. It's just kind of a question of how much you have to pay for them. But luckily, it wasn't a personal project, it was a Stripe project... So what looks expensive for me looks a lot chea... |
**Jerod Santo:** Good point. Adam, we should start some Stripe projects. \[laughs\] Get some good domain names... Alright, we're bike-shedding the name; I think that means we're officially done here... Don't you think, Adam? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's do it. We're done. |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Thanks, Jake. |
**Jerod Santo:** Jake, thanks so much for coming on, man. |
**Jake Zimmerman:** Yeah, thank you for having me. |
• AnnMarie Thomas's keynote speech on "Playing with Engineering" |
• Technical difficulties during the speech, including audio/video issues |
• Thomas's handling of the technical issues, including her thoughts and feelings in the moment |
• The role of play and surprise in learning and engagement, as discussed in Thomas's work and her interest in magic theory |
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