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**Adam Stacoviak:** Did you feel compelled to like keep watching, despite them messing up, and...? |
**Taylor Troesh:** So the thing is, I'm a very bad magician myself, so I tried to enter the fray. I was not even worthy of being looked at in their eyes. I do coin magic, so it's way inferior to card magic. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I see. |
**Jerod Santo:** I like this idea that there's an upper and lower echelon of magicians. |
**Taylor Troesh:** Oh, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh there is, for sure. |
**Taylor Troesh:** Yeah, card magic I think is near the top. The people with the rings... Those are the ringleaders. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's kind of like the comedians that do ventriloquism, or any sort of props... They're just -- |
**Taylor Troesh:** Prop people are at the bottom. |
**Jerod Santo:** So coin magic is bottom. Is that what you're saying? |
**Taylor Troesh:** Coin magic I would say is near the bottom. |
**Jerod Santo:** Who are you better than? |
**Taylor Troesh:** Let's see... Who's lower than me? Oh, clowns, dude. |
**Jerod Santo:** Clowns... |
**Taylor Troesh:** Yes. |
**Jerod Santo:** They're kind of at the bottom of comedy, too. |
**Taylor Troesh:** They're at the top of comedy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No way... Clowns?! |
**Taylor Troesh:** They're at the top of comedy, but at the bottom of magic. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm not sure I like your spectrum. |
**Break:** \[47:22\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright, well, we're here with Pokey Rule, the guy whose name I will never forget... It's a unique name. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Some of it is self-given, some of it inherited. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah. Well, it was given to me by my parents, but I was quite young when I got it... But not unborn. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's not on your birth certificate. |
**Pokey Rule:** Not on my birth certificate. |
**Jerod Santo:** Pokey, you're talking about. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yup, Pokey. |
**Jerod Santo:** Why do they call you that? |
**Pokey Rule:** When I was a baby, I was really fat, so my parents called me Porky... And then they sent me to school, and obviously, their friends told them they couldn't call a little fat kid Porky, and so they did the only natural thing that two strange hippie parents would do and dropped the r. And here I am today. |
**Jerod Santo:** I was gonna say, I thought that you slimmed down and they took the pork out... \[laughs\] |
**Pokey Rule:** No, no, no, no... Yeah, yeah... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Did I bring up a wound at all...? |
**Pokey Rule:** No, no. It's fine. It was years ago, I've recovered. |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, he literally goes by this name, so he probably talked to a lot of people about it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's true. You do wear it with somewhat honor, I guess. Is it honor you wear it with? |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, I like it. I mean, I could have dropped it... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, he had the choice. It's his name. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, it was a choice. Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** When I saw your talk title on the schedule, I was like "Cursorless. That's interesting." Spoken language, editing stuff... You're gonna have to tell us about it. But I was like "Okay, spoken language. That's cool for a podcast." And then I was like "Pokey Rule. Who is this person? I've gotta find pokey... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Sure did. |
**Jerod Santo:** We wouldn't let you talk to us... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We were like "No! Go Away!" |
**Jerod Santo:** ...because we wanted to talk to you on these microphones, so... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** "Don't waste tape!" |
**Jerod Santo:** We're happy to have you here. You just finished your talk... |
**Pokey Rule:** I did. |
**Jerod Santo:** The pressure is off... |
**Pokey Rule:** The pressure is off. |
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