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**Pokey Rule:** So at the time I started, I did not have a lot of choice. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You were sort of forced to figure out a way, if you wanted to keep programming. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, exactly. Exactly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is it any more mentally taxing to do this method of editing, not coding? Is it dramatically different? Does your voice get strained? Like, what other side effects come from having to speak your coding? |
**Pokey Rule:** Totally. So initially, absolutely. There's a large mental load. And that's because -- I mean, you can kind of think of it as brain one, brain two... We have this more modern brain which can think intelligently about code. And it's our language center, and it does all this sort of stuff. And then there's... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is it forgiving? I know when I talk to Siri -- this is my interpretation of how it might be to do this... Because when I talk to Siri - you know, I'm not the perfect speaking every single time. I might slur something, or I might whif something, and Jerod things I'm saying \[unintelligible 00:59:47.0... |
**Jerod Santo:** What happened earlier, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[59:50\] Yeah. Like, is there room for error in your speech pattern? Do you have to be precise? How challenging is that? |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah. So I guess there's kind of two ways in which you could define forgiving. One is forgiving in how you enunciate, and the other is forgiving in what you say. So you could very clearly say a command that's not real. On the other hand, you could slur a perfectly normal command. And so there's sort of ... |
And so in terms of is it forgiving with just slurring speech, speaking fast, but it's the right command - it has gotten much, much better. The recognition engine has gotten quite good, because it was trained on millions and millions of hours of speech, and it's gotten to the point where it's fairly accurate. In terms o... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So it just cancels it? It just ignores the -- |
**Pokey Rule:** If you're lucky, it cancels it. But oftentimes, what it'll do is it'll find the closest thing that sounds like it, and then, you know, your computer explodes. \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're like "Oh, my gosh..." |
**Jerod Santo:** What's your undo sound? |
**Pokey Rule:** So if I'm in the middle of a command and it's going South, \[unintelligible 01:01:10.00\] Like you're calling a horse. And that'll cancel the in-flight command. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[unintelligible 01:01:14.12\] |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, exactly. So if I do that, that'll cancel it in-flight. If it's after it's already run, then I basically I say "Nope", and that's undo, and then I just pop to repeat the Undo. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Speaking of Nope, have you seen that movie? It's a good movie. |
**Pokey Rule:** It's a great one. I love that one. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's cool, though... I mean, that's the hard part - if you mess up, how do you get out of it, and how do you -- |
**Pokey Rule:** Totally. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** There's times I'm talking to Siri, I'm like "This is going south." I just say "Cancel, cancel, cancel." For whatever reason, I've gotta say it three times. That's my thing. |
**Pokey Rule:** No, it's funny... Actually, in the built-in community grammar, instead of making a sound to cancel, you actually do have to say cancel twice. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay... |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah. So you're onto something there. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm a maximizer, so I'll always add one more for the requirement, in most cases... |
**Pokey Rule:** Okay. That might be too much... \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So yeah, cancel, cancel, cancel. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** So do you still use this day to day then? |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** But optional. You don't have to. |
**Pokey Rule:** Exactly. So I'm comfortable using a keyboard, I can. Occasionally, I will use a keyboard, if for whatever reason my voice is tired, or if -- maybe it's a superduper loud cafe, then I can use a keyboard... But yeah, my preference nowadays is to code by voice, and I do most of my coding by voice. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. I was watching two folks last night at the party sign, and they were like furiously signing. They were emotionally signing... And I was like "That is so cool, because they can communicate --" This has a loud space. To communicate clearly in a loud space, you have to elevate your voice, strain ... |
**Pokey Rule:** 100% And that's why I think every medium has its advantages and its disadvantages. So in certain situations, voice as a medium has disadvantages that signing and using your hands don't. But on the other hand, if I'm eating Cheetos and my fingers are completely orange, I don't want to use a keyboard, rig... |
**Jerod Santo:** Good point. |
**Pokey Rule:** So they both have advantages. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I was thinking of something more dramatic, where maybe -- |
**Pokey Rule:** More dramatic than that...? \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm stuck on the Cheetos thing; this is a really good point. Go ahead. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Where you have to pull the kill switch. Like, somebody came to your house, and you need to wipe your drive, and you've got a command for that, or whatever... |
**Jerod Santo:** Nope-nope. Click-click. Cancel-cancel. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** They've got your hands tied up, and you're like "Oh no, I can't type!" \[laughter\] "Nope all the things!" |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, nope it all. |
**Jerod Santo:** Nope all the things. \[laughs\] That's awesome. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I don't have that. I can't do that. |
**Pokey Rule:** You could though. You could install it. |
**Jerod Santo:** More likely you've just got some Cheetos on your fingers though, and you don't want to touch the keyboard. |
**Pokey Rule:** That's a more day to day, yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, I'll get in that situation. I won't have Cheetos, but... Any kind of food, you're like "This is kind of gross, but I'm really hungry, and I want to keep going." |
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