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**Justin Garrison:** Oh, it's not the only place where Excel has taken down a company, I'm sure... I mean, that's just like how you get every \[unintelligible 01:04:38.04\] don't click on links, but like back in the day it was "Don't open attachments." Don't open attachments from email. Now we don't have attachments in... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's amazing how the backdoors and all the biggest hacks are always something so simple. |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, and it's always the people. It's always the person that is the weakest link. And that's always where you -- if you're looking at any sort of like postmortem for something that was a hack, it's just like "Oh yeah, someone gave up something", either through spear phishing, or through some other... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's very interesting. |
**Justin Garrison:** So thank you everyone for listening to the show, and if you want to reach out, we are at shipit \[at\] changelog.com. We do read all the emails, I reply to most of them, for guests or topics you'd like to hear about... And we'll talk to you again soon. |
• Introduction to System Initiative |
• Background on co-host Autumn Nash's experience with Friends interviews |
• Interview with John Watson and Scott Prutten from System Initiative |
• Description of System Initiative as a hands-on way to design and build infrastructure |
• How System Initiative interacts with architecture diagrams and automates tasks through APIs |
• Discussion of on-prem support and integration with various cloud providers |
• Limitations and potential future features of System Initiative |
• System Initiative's value proposition for infrastructure management |
• Custom business functions and private functions that can be written to interact with EC2 assets or other components |
• The use of Veritech, a custom-built service that uses Firecracker to run isolated code and creates cyclones (small servers) on demand |
• The transition from solutions architect to infrastructure engineer and the experience of switching roles |
• System Initiative's self-hosting capabilities, including hosting its own SaaS with EC2 instances and NATS database |
• Discussing the importance of disagreeing and committing to one's decisions |
• Overview of System Initiative as a tool for hosting and managing infrastructure in the cloud |
• Comparison between System Initiative and other tools such as Puppet, Chef, GitLab, and Terraform |
• The challenge of maintaining a holistic view of environment changes across different systems and APIs |
• Exploring ways to surface and reconcile changes in the environment, including auto-reconciliation and user interaction |
• API limits and cloud infrastructure management |
• Reconciling different versions of truth (cloud state, local state, application state) |
• Graph databases vs. relational databases for storing complex relationships |
• Trade-offs between automation and security in infrastructure management systems |
• Scaling and securing user-written code execution |
• Firecracker model for containerization and security |
• Networking rules and permissions for secure access to infrastructure components |
• Protecting against components influencing each other |
• Managing complex interactions between customers and their use of a product (e.g. limiting VMs) |
• Implementing RBAC to improve security posture |
• Resource limits and throttling for large-scale operations |
• Representing infrastructure as a graph or diagram to show relationships and dependencies |
• Handling order and dependencies in migrations and changes to infrastructure |
• Importing existing infrastructure from an AWS account into System Initiative |
• System Initiative is an infrastructure tool that allows users to create relationships between objects in a graph database |
• The tool empowers users to fix problems by adding relationships and sockets to objects, allowing for more effective orchestration of deletes |
• Collaboration features allow multiple users to work together on changes and see the effects in real-time |
• System Initiative uses a "change set" concept instead of traditional Git branching, allowing for live simulation of changes before they are merged |
• The tool is self-hosted by its creators, who use it to run their own service, allowing them to catch bugs and edge cases early on |
• Different customers have different problems and assumptions |
• Growing a tool can lead to expanding its original purpose and assumptions |
• Edge cases and scalability issues arise when a tool is used at large scales |
• Tools are "sticky" because users are invested in learning them, but may not be the best choice for their needs |
• Legacy tools and systems can be difficult to maintain or replace due to esoteric knowledge required |
• It's hard to know when to switch from old, established solutions to newer ones |
• The speaker had access to information about an FBI operation involving a company that wiretapped individuals worldwide for governments. |
• The operation grew too successful and created a burden on the team handling the messages and metadata. |
• The company used backdoors in their software, claiming they were only for non-US residents, but also sent hints to other organizations about potential crimes. |
• The FBI had to shut down the operation due to the volume of information and potential legal issues. |
• Questions were raised about the legality of some actions taken by the team, including wiretapping US citizens. |
• The operation involved collecting metadata, GPS data, and other evidence, which was sometimes used to build cases against individuals. |
• Importance of accepting different brain processing styles for effective learning |
• Book recommendations: A Mind for Numbers, Thinking, Fast and Slow |
• Historical examples of neurospicy individuals who achieved great things |
• Potential drawbacks of traditional interview processes that may overlook diverse candidates |
• Limitations of company culture and boundaries on employee contributions |
• Critique of traditional education systems |
• Experience with private schools not providing a better education |
• Discussion of neurodiverse children's needs in educational settings |
• Reading and book recommendations |
• Experiences with visual processing and reading disabilities |
• Mediation and sleep as coping mechanisms for ADHD/narcolepsy |
• Interaction with artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning in spell checkers |
• Justin Garrison mentions upcoming conferences in London: SRE Day and TalosCon |
• He invites listeners to attend the conferences and meet him in person |
• The conferences are free (TalosCon) or general interest (SRE Day) |
• Justin is speaking and hosting at TalosCon, which focuses on Kubernetes and Talos operating system |
• Autumn Nash jokes about being transported to London by Justin's suitcase |
**Justin Garrison:** Hello and welcome to Ship It, the podcast all about what happens after you git push. My name is Justin Garrison, and I'm your host, and with me as always is Autumn Nash. How's it going, Autumn? |
**Autumn Nash:** Good. This was a good interview. |
**Justin Garrison:** This is fun. It was not at all where I kind of expected the conversation to go, but I had a lot of fun with it. |
**Autumn Nash:** I thought so, too. |
**Justin Garrison:** Had you ever heard of System Initiative before? |
**Autumn Nash:** I hadn't. I spent some time listening to Adam's interview, because I really like the Friends interviews, because I always think they're really interesting... And his life was wild; just his whole -- like how he got here, and the different things, and... Who would have thought that cartels and ISPs coul... |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, and people think that there's a single path for any career... It's like -- |
**Autumn Nash:** I think that's like the most toxic part about engineering, is everyone's like "And you have to have this background, and do LeetCode..." And I'm like, all the coolest people I've met in technology have the craziest, like, a roundabout way of getting here, you know? |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. I also like that you brought up the cartels and ISPs, because that ties into my outro... And so we'll have fun talking about that. |
**Autumn Nash:** Wow, Justin. Wow. |
**Justin Garrison:** Teasing it. I was like, you brought it right up. |
**Autumn Nash:** It's always a rollercoaster with you. |
**Justin Garrison:** So today on the show we have John Watson and Scott Prutten from System Initiative. They're both infrastructure engineers. And System Initiative is a new idea and way of managing infrastructure, which I had played with last year in their early betas. I literally have their... Where was it? Oh, I hav... |
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