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**Autumn Nash:** That sounds exhausting. |
**Gina Häußge:** It was exhausting, and 5% of OctoPrint's user base, according to the anonymous usage tracking, is still on Python 2... |
**Justin Garrison:** Wow...! \[laughs\] |
**Gina Häußge:** And at this point, I just have given up trying to motivate them. |
**Justin Garrison:** They'll never die. |
**Gina Häußge:** Yeah, I mean, OctoPrint is Python 3-exclusive now, since version 1 point -- oh, God. Six? Five? I have no idea, actually. Something like mid-2020 or so, I can't remember exactly. And there are still people who are left on the Python 2-only version, who I redirected to take their updates from somewhere ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, they need to. |
**Autumn Nash:** It's like when we try to get people off of Java 8. It's like never dying... |
**Gina Häußge:** Yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. Old software doesn't die. |
**Gina Häußge:** I can't imagine. My knowledge is still stuck on Java 7... \[laughter\] |
**Justin Garrison:** You talked about some things you'd want to make changes in the future... Looking back of more than 10 years of building this project, what do you wish you would have done differently, at the beginning? |
**Gina Häußge:** I wish I would have done so many architecture decisions differently, that are now biting me in my behind over and over again... |
**Justin Garrison:** How do you make sure you -- because a lot of that comes from just learning... Either scaling the projects, and it needs to change over time, or you didn't know how it worked back then, and you just learned a new way of doing it now. How would you go back in time and teach yourself "Oh, you should d... |
**Gina Häußge:** \[39:48\] Do we have a time machine? \[laughter\] Apart from that... I mean, I think most of the stuff, if I just had known any better, so if I had found some more information on some things, then yeah, that would have saved me a lot of work. I mean, some of the problems I actually just managed to iron... |
**Autumn Nash:** Flask talked a big game at that time. It's not even your fault. \[laughter\] |
**Gina Häußge:** The good thing is that I've found a solution for that, which means we had huge performance gains in the latest version that I just pushed out now, because now I managed to make the whole connection between the two things async as well, so that they don't block each other anymore... And so the whole web... |
**Autumn Nash:** In your defense though, 3D printing has grown so much in the last decade, and releasing software in general has grown so much... You sound extremely knowledgeable about all of these things, and I don't know if anyone could learn them as well if he weren't just doing it. You know all these things becaus... |
**Gina Häußge:** Thank you. \[laughs\] Yeah, I mean, I'm still here, right? So it can't be too bad. And yeah, the things I now know about 3D printing firmware, and especially about the differences between the various variations... Honestly, I wish I didn't know as much, sometimes... There be dragons... \[laughter\] |
**Justin Garrison:** The curse of knowledge... Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** Not just that, but I feel like it's always that struggle of you learned it at like 2am, because of something went wrong... |
Because it went sideways, and you had to learn it. |
**Gina Häußge:** Oh, that's something, by the way, I also learned... I never do releases after Wednesday anymore... Because it gives me Thursday, and even though it's usually my day off, because I'm on a four-day work week, if push comes to shove, it gives me Friday, and it doesn't ruin my whole weekend. I did a bunch ... |
**Autumn Nash:** Never push to prod on Friday. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, that is the real wisdom of this podcast right now. People say like "Don't push on Friday", and you're like "No, don't push after Wednesday." Like, if you're pushing on Thursday or Friday, you're just asking for it. |
**Autumn Nash:** That is the perfect bake time to get -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Someone else to try and then call you. And that is like -- they need a day. |
**Autumn Nash:** There's no testing real users wanting to use your software in a way that you never imagined... You obviously do as much testing as you can, but getting real people to try it, the way that you said that you do, like that release where people can try your other branches so they can bake properly... |
**Justin Garrison:** I feel like that needs \[unintelligible 00:43:50.25\] It's like "Test with users." |
**Autumn Nash:** \[43:55\] I mean, there's nothing -- like, it is nothing like some real person being like "I wonder what you could do if I put this here..." And you're like "Why would you do that?" |
**Justin Garrison:** Or they have some crazy workflow, where you're just like "What?! When you do what?!" Like "Oh, yeah, no, I drop to the web console every time, and I type my commands manually in JavaScript." And you're like... |
**Autumn Nash:** They're like "But I want to use the UI, and the CLI, and then do this" and then you're just like "But why? Why would you do that?" |
**Gina Häußge:** But you know you have produced some stable software if after a huge new point release -- not point release, a minor release, only such stuff comes in. |
**Justin Garrison:** It's only the weird use case. |
**Gina Häußge:** And this time I can't say that I managed to do that. I got only really, really weird, really odd stuff. |
**Autumn Nash:** That's an achievement. |
**Gina Häußge:** Right? I thought so as well. |
**Autumn Nash:** Not just that, but the fact that you automated all that by yourself, and you were the main maintainer... You are amazing. Amazing. |
**Gina Häußge:** You need to keep in mind, I automated that because I am the only maintainer, so I had more time to do the maintenance. \[laughs\] |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah, but you still had to do the automation... I know it makes your life easier, but sometimes you'll sit there and it takes longer to automate stuff than... I mean, you get it back, obviously, after a while, but... |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, not always... I mean, you could spend the whole week automating something that you do once a year, and in this case, you're like "Oh, this went from a day to an hour", and it's a good use of automation. |
**Autumn Nash:** Because we've all automated something, and we were like "This is gonna be great", and then it takes longer to automate than it does to do it manually, and you're like "Why? Why did I do this to myself?" Like eight hours in. |
**Gina Häußge:** I'm into home automation, so I have this a lot... |
**Autumn Nash:** I love that stuff. Me too. But I'm just like, there's certain things that I'm just like "That was such a bad idea." But you'll never know until you do it. |
**Gina Häußge:** The good thing is you often still learn something new in the process. So even if it's all for the -- |
**Autumn Nash:** That's what I'm saying. Just listening to your talk about it, I'm like "Man, your knowledge is just insane." Like, you must just know the ins and outs of so much of this, because of the way that -- and then you're like "And then I had this problem, and then I found this awesome way to fix it", and I'm ... |
**Gina Häußge:** No, I actually always just get something from the shelf, basically. |
**Autumn Nash:** So what's your favorite 3D printer? |
**Gina Häußge:** I'm not sure if I would call it a favorite. I have a very old \[unintelligible 00:46:30.26\] by now that I have modified a whole lot... And that works, and works, and works, and works... And I actually just printed a guitar with it that I gave away as a birthday present to the father of my partner... W... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's awesome. Do you have anywhere that you post the stuff that you 3D-print? Because I just want to like follow all the stuff that you print, because it has to be awesome. |
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