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**Adam Stacoviak:** Does your kid call you Daddy Pig by any chance? |
**Ashley Jeffs:** \[laughs\] Not yet. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** My son calls me Daddy Pig. |
**Jerod Santo:** Really? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And it's not to anything with my weight. Tell him Ash, what Daddy Pig means. Do you know? |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Daddy Pig. Well, do they watch Peppa Pig? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Yeah, there you go. \[unintelligible 00:54:23.13\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So that's why I'm Daddy Pig. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** That's like our number one \[unintelligible 00:54:26.13\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's a term of endearment. Anyways... |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I don't know, because Daddy Pig's kind of incompetent, so... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But it's always a -- maybe it is not...! |
**Jerod Santo:** There's an underlying criticism... |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I'm going to have to be honest with you, \[unintelligible 00:54:42.24\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You don't think it's a good thing? "I'm going to get you...!" |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, this is like an intervention here. Don't let your kid call you Daddy Pig, Adam. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's a term of endearment. I know it is. My ego's not shot here, man. I know my kid loves me. Let's go. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** They can love you, but not respect you. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Do you want to stay on this show? I'm about to hang up on you. |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, not if you work at Google, though. They have to respect you if you work at Google. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** If you work at Google and live in a van in the car park. |
**Jerod Santo:** There you go. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** That's ultimate respect. Thanks, dad. Thanks, dad, for this Google pen. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I've interrupted the show. Continue, please. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's alright, Daddy Pig. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I don't know, because the goal wasn't just to like get the most amount of money in the shortest space of time... And I kind of always had my head on the idea that if at any point I felt like I wasn't actually enjoying what I'm doing, then at that stage, I would just stop, because it was kind of silly ... |
\[56:14\] So joining Redpanda and then suddenly we can tap into all these customers and stuff was -- it's exciting. It's great. But it wasn't like before that I was like frustrated about "Oh, I just want to tap that revenue." It was more just I wanted to find -- if I could have found a hundred startups that were willin... |
**Jerod Santo:** So let's talk about the stepping away part, because this was like the big ramifications of the sale, was Benthos just went away. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Well, it's kind of -- |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, effectively. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Basically, the team -- the team immediately grew, so we could actually start hiring people who were just contributors before. So we've got more people working on it. If you look at the contributor graph for the Connect repos - it's suddenly gone way up. The number of stuff that it has has gone way up.... |
And then there was also all the plugins. So you imagine like Kafka plugins, AWS plugins, Azure plugins, RabbitMQ ones, NATS, all the various queue systems and technologies that we're integrating with, all of those were baked in the same repo... And it was getting to the point where we were regularly having to deal with... |
What we ended up doing is having the Benthos -- so there's still a Benthos repo called Benthos, with the blobfish. So if people want the blobfish, that's where you find your official Benthos blobfish now. That's the engine, and it's still being worked on. It's still the core of the new product, which is Redpanda Connec... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. So kind of an open core thing now, where the core is really large. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** \[01:00:18.02\] Essentially, yeah. And the engine is kind of like its own thing. So it's still MIT. |
**Jerod Santo:** So of the Benthos users back when this acquisition happened - which I think was like May of '24. Is that? |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Fact-check, true. According to -- if the blog posts are right, that's roughly true. So of the Benthos users that day, how many of those are satisfied with the Benthos core plus the Redpanda Connect Apache stuff? |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I think it's a mixed bag. So there's different groups of users. So there are the users who are just... They're not like... They're not really helping to run the project. They're just noisy. Some of them aren't even users. People who comment on the Hacker News, but they haven't really actually used it,... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** And it's more of a philosophical thing. The concept of open source - they're not happy. And I understand the arguments; the licensing is confusing, and there's these arguments. There's a lot of FUD, which I fundamentally disagree with... But there's a lot of pearl clenching, because "Argh!! They chang... |
**Jerod Santo:** They're happy. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** No, because they have to work with me. But... |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Some it's a bit disappointing, because they work with competitors. So it's a bit of a sticky relationship now. But obviously, they kind of understood why things turned out -- it's not as if like Benthos was on Hacker News and then a week later I'm like "Haha! Bags of money. I'm selling." It's like, I ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** And then everybody else... It's just a mixed bag. Some people don't care at all. Some people just carry on using it. They don't even care about the enterprise license, they're just going to keep using it and not paying. And they don't care, because they didn't care before. And then there's lots of peo... |
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