text stringlengths 0 2.68k |
|---|
**Ashley Jeffs:** \[01:32:08.20\] \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, that's cool. You're living the dream though. You realize this, right? I mean, you've got to be aware that you're living the dream, to some degree. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Well, if somebody asked me 10 years ago "You know, you're just going to get to work on your open source project at a company", I'd be like "No, obviously not. That's not really feasible." See, I mean, it is... The thing is, when you do this stuff, there's lots of like success stories. Obviously, you h... |
So there's almost a whole other level of motivation to continue working on this particular thing, even though logic would dictate "You should just get a job. You should just get a normal job." And I feel like -- they're not miserable people. They're not sad, or anything like that. They've still got a nice lifestyle, th... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] Just video games. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm just thinking about that really, because I think I empathize a lot with that position, because... Jerod, I think you and I lamented on this, to some degree, in our most recent IRL, where we just thought... I'll paraphrase some of the conversation, to my knowledge at least, was "Wouldn't it just ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh yeah, I've asked you that on the show before, too. And Adam's like "Are you thinking about it?" I'm like \[unintelligible 01:35:56.10\] |
**Ashley Jeffs:** \[laughs\] This is his resignation... |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, I think about it... I do think about it. I don't think that hard about it... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:36:04.22\] Well, I think it's normal to fantasize about that. I think it's normal to fantasize about that up until the point of actually doing it almost, because it is kind of the... I don't want to call it the Easy button necessarily, but it's certainly a lot easier than the constant roller co... |
And I think it's super-normal to fantasize about this "What if I just got a real job? And then I wouldn't have to worry about any of this stuff." But then I think, "Gosh, I would have no, or seemingly no agency over my day-to-day." I can't command my own dreams. I can't have these big ideas, and then begin to execute o... |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Yeah. But it also means you're on the hook. So when things go bad... |
**Jerod Santo:** For sure. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Oh, there's nowhere else to go. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But at least I'm in control, to some degree, on the daily at least, to tackle my own dreams, to pursue my own dreams, to identify my own dreams, versus somebody else's. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I think it's the grass is always greener scenario for most people. |
**Jerod Santo:** It is. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I think some people have a -- there's something going on there in their brain. They just have to -- |
**Jerod Santo:** And here's the challenge. Obviously, those who have regular jobs would love to have a business, and those who have businesses would love to have a regular job every once in a while. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Amen. |
**Jerod Santo:** But then there's also this challenge of like - the grass is greener, of course, is a cliche, because we all look across the yard and see somebody else's grass, and we think it might be greener. But there's also this other thing that might happen, is it might actually be greener over there, which is kin... |
So every once in a while, you've got to stop and analyze and be like "Am I just assuming it's greener over there, because I'm used to my grass? Or maybe I'm actually the guy with the brown grass over here." And that's a hard thing to wrestle with. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Or, the grass is greener because there's affluent water being sprayed in his yard. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, that's the thing. If you take care of your grass, man, it's going to be green. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** You don't have to do that in the UK. The grass is just always green. That's just for you guys... We love our clay. We love our clay mounds in our gardens. |
Yeah, I was going to say, the concerning thing for me is when you see people who - they're not happy with the current situation, and they're kind of like pushing on regardless... I don't want to tell people just stop. Like, somebody's got an open source project, but they're burnt out, and they don't enjoy doing it anym... |
\[01:39:59.10\] I mean, it's the same with any other company. It doesn't have to be open source. It could be somebody gruellingly working on their startup company, and it's just not working out. There's all these other scenarios. But I think the difference is that when somebody's making open source and they're putting ... |
So if you don't enjoy it, then ideally, you need to be protected, to some extent. And I think open source is very risky, because there's absolutely nothing between you and the people that are just gonna keep taking, taking, taking. And they don't know what they're doing. They don't know that they're doing that to you. ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** I wanna be their daddy. |
**Jerod Santo:** There's no daddy pig. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** This is me being their global daddy pig. "Stop what you're doing." Or just take a break. Take a breather. |
**Jerod Santo:** Take a break. Step back. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Stop working on it for a bit. |
**Jerod Santo:** What we need is some sort of a resource that's like -- like healthy open source habits or something, so that you can have a proper relationship with your project. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Yeah, people won't read it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, we get a mellifluous voice to read it to them. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The one who cares would listen. |
**Jerod Santo:** Have Adam read it and we'll just send it out into the airwaves. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. "Healthy open source." |
**Ashley Jeffs:** They'll add a feature to GitHub where when you click the pull requests tab, it just asks you "Are you actually enjoying this?" And then if you click no, it just redirects you to Reddit... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] Where they know you won't enjoy anything. Okay, let's wrap this up. A quick thank you, while we're thanking -- we're thinking about thanking people or not thanking people, exploiting them for their work... But one thing you can do for an open source maintainer that you appreciate is thank th... |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Thanks, Hector. |
**Jerod Santo:** So there you go, Hector. I hope you enjoyed this. Take it or leave it. It's all we have to offer. |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Thanks for dragging me out, Hector. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] And if you don't know that we take requests, we absolutely do. Changelog.com/request is where you can tell us what you would like to hear about on the show. Ash, is there anything left unsaid? I'm sure there is, but anything worth saying that's left unsaid? |
**Ashley Jeffs:** Oh God, please edit out anything I said that's stupid... |
**Jerod Santo:** No promises. \[laughs\] |
Subsets and Splits
No community queries yet
The top public SQL queries from the community will appear here once available.