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• Agent tools and the importance of designing for both humans and agents |
• The growing art of designing tools for agents |
• The need for tooling to support both humans and agents in tasks such as database management |
• Discussion of the benefits and limitations of agentic Postgres and CLIs |
• Ajay Kulkarni discussing the key features of the Tiger CLI, including its use of MCP and ability to proxy an MCP server |
• Adam Stacoviak's thoughts on the future of CLIs and the importance of a well-defined API and CLI for services |
• Discussion of the potential of MCP as a protocol for agents to interact with APIs and the benefits of giving agents access to CLIs |
• Mention of the use of markdown to teach agents and its potential to make agents experts in specific domains |
• Reference to a talk by Barry Zhang and Mahesh Murag from Anthropic on the use of markdown in AI development |
* Markdown and its growing use in various applications |
* AI agents and their ability to learn and interact with users through text |
* The rise of the terminal and terminal-based productivity tools |
* Warp and its role in modernizing the terminal experience |
* AI-generated content and its potential to change the way people interact with technology |
* Tiger Data's database solutions and their focus on scalability and ease of use |
* The company's future plans and innovations in database technology |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So friends, we're here with Ajay Kulkarni, a new friend of mine from Tiger Data, previously Timescale. We've had this relationship, we work with you as a sponsor, and I've been a fan, obviously, of time-series data, and I had ideas for you all, I've been working with Isabel behind the scenes... And ... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Yeah, yeah. I'll try and give you the short version -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I assume you love building databases. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** You know, I love building. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, okay. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** I love building, and I love solving problems. Now, databases are interesting, but it would not be the only thing I've done in my career. I've been in love with technology since I was a kid, and I remember using the internet for the first time in high school, in 1995, 1996, and thinking "I don't know ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** And I was a pre-med at that point, applying to colleges, and I switched to computer science, went to MIT... And I guess the rest, yeah, is history. MIT is where I met my co-founder, by the way... So that's how we know each other for 28 years. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's wild, to know a co-founder of 28 years. I mean, the history, and the level of trust and maybe somewhat antitrust... I don't know if that's the case, but -- |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** It's not antitrust, but you know what it is? It's -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Vulnerability is what I mean by that. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** When he and I started working together at this point, probably 10 years ago, I remember thinking "I know what I like about Mike, and I know what I don't like about him. And so I want to work with this guy", you know? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's interesting. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** And I'm sure he felt similarly. I think it's a little bit of like a -- I'm not sure I want to call it a spousal relationship, but almost, you know? You're like "Hey, I like you for who you are, the whole package, even though sometimes that package annoys me... And I'm sure you'd say the same thing ab... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, Mike is not here, so we can't speak for him, but I'm assuming he might say something like that... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So CEO of Tiger Data... You were under a different name, a different moniker before... I do want to go there, but I kind of want to zoom back out a second, just to kind of identify who you are, but more so how you got here. You mentioned MIT, a long road, 28 years, knowing Mike, met him at college, ... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Yeah, I think I've tried to always follow the thing that kind of tugs my heartstrings... To be like "Hey, I don't know why, but this is interesting", and really to listen to that. That's why I ended up at MIT... My high school guidance counselor tried to dissuade me from going, and I was like "Nah, I... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** "I'm gonna do this." |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** And it was hard, but it was great. I graduated during the dotcom collapse. So at that point tech was not hiring, which just sounds crazy at this point, you know... And I ended up on Wall Street as a bond analyst. But very quickly, after a couple of years, I ended up back in Palo Alto, working for a s... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What year was that, roughly? That back to Palo Alto. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Oh, back to Palo Alto? 2004. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. I know exactly what I was doing that year. I was so wayward then... That was the beginning of my developer career, I would say. Not that this is my story, but just so you kind of understand the cloth there, the timing... That was the same year my daughter was born. She is now 21, so that's 21 ... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** \[08:05\] Congrats, that's incredible. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Thank you. I was in Canada at the time. Oddly enough, I'm an American, I'm United States... Served our military... I don't say that as like a nationalist necessarily \[unintelligible 00:08:17.14\] |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Where did you serve? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** In the Army. But just to say that I'm not Canadian. Not that I'm against Canadians... I'm just not Canadian, so I want to be clear about that. Some people think because I lived in Canada for a bit, they're like "Are you Canadian?" I'm like "No, no. I don't say aboot." |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Probably because you're so friendly. People are like "Oh, you must be Canadian..." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, yeah, maybe that's it. But I was fresh... So I didn't go to college, or to MIT, or to a computer science school, or get a degree in that... I learned by messing with GeoCities that same year. And that's so funny to even think about... I started playing with WordPress, got a job, and almost got... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** I know -- I like that story, because I feel like that is something you don't know you have until it's tested. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Which is the, "Hey--" |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I didn't even know I had it, Ajay. I had a wife and a brand new daughter coming in those moments, so that timeframe for me... I could not not survive. I had to find a way. |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** I think it's some combination of grit, but also just like an FU mentality... \[laughs\] It's like "Oh, no, no, no --" |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I was like "Listen, I belong here. I love this company... I'm gonna do something about it, I'm gonna figure it out." So I've always been good at connecting the value dots, I would say. You can call it sales if you want to, and I think that's the easy, in quotes, word you can use... But I reall... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** That's great. I like that story. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's go back to you, though... This is not about me, but I thought we'd at least encapsulate what was happening in 2004 between our lives... So - much different perspectives. But similar, I would say we're -- I'm not a co-founder or a CEO of a tech startup, but certainly a tech brand... Changelog.c... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** I mean, in the tech industry, that's like a hundred years or so. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That is. We're a Wikipedia basically, but not really. I'm just kidding. Wikipedia is the eighth, ninth, tenth \[unintelligible 00:11:29.20\] one of those two things, or three things... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** Something like that, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So... |
**Ajay Kulkarni:** I'll tell you what's been the theme in my career, is that - when I was on Wall Street, it was a really interesting, an eye-opening experience... Because I was around some really smart people. I was a quant, around people who all had PhDs, some had multiple PhDs, really hardworking... It was a meritoc... |
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