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**Drew Wilson:** I think so. Yeah. I think the way I see success is different than the way maybe my extended family sees success. And that's kind of like how I can gauge regular people versus people in tech. The things you're used to in regular people land in terms of success is way smaller than what folks in tech are ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I don't even think you were a dad. When was your kid born? What year? |
**Drew Wilson:** My first was 2010. I have three kids. So 2010, 2012, and 2013. Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay, so you were a dad, barely. Did you hide it? Was it a secret birth? |
**Drew Wilson:** No, no, no. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[laughs\] It's a joke, obviously... |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah, yeah. We've just never wanted to like put our kids on social media. So up until recently, I think I had some tweets like earlier this year -- or no, I guess later last year, about like "Hey, I want to start recording videos for fun, of my personal life and doing stuff." And so I did some, but the... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I see you have a famous or an infamous Apple computer behind you... What is that computer? |
**Drew Wilson:** Yes. So this is the Macintosh Portable. It's got a track pad and a little click button, and it fully, fully, fully works. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Wow. |
**Drew Wilson:** \[09:52\] I got that thing on eBay. You can boot it up. It came with a -- it's a 16-pound laptop. So this is a first ever laptop, and look at that. They look almost identical to the way they do today. So they got it right on their first try. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Look at that... |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah. It's 16 pounds, okay? And it had a lead acid battery in it, a car battery, for reals. And so that sort of tech doesn't even last to today. No matter what you do, that sort of tech will break down. And so you can't actually have a working battery in one of these. It's impossible. And so this one, ... |
So you've kind of always got to leave it plugged in, running just off battery. Even though it's fully charged, it will only last like a minute or two. But you don't want to be carrying that thing around. It's way too heavy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Does that run Figma, or the web, or what does it run? Anything? |
**Drew Wilson:** It does. It does. It actually even has Wi-Fi. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What?! |
**Drew Wilson:** That was like one of the first computers with Wi-Fi. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, my gosh. What spec? |
**Drew Wilson:** Wi-Fi 1.0, I think. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. The earliest of Wi-Fi's... |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah. It's wild. It doesn't -- I don't know if it can connect to my Wi-Fi. Did I try it? I can't remember if I tried it. But I've got to, at some point. I have this one, I have like an old Apple II, and I have like the old, like the square tall Macintosh... Yeah, it's fun. I like collecting older compu... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You know, off camera I have an Apple II I think it is, or a Mac classic... |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think it's an Apple II, if I recall correctly. It's just a prop. It's just for - I call it art. It's just art. It doesn't work. |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah. Apple II is the flat piece with no monitor. And then you had to get an individual monitor. The classic is the one that's like the tall \[unintelligible 00:12:03.18\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Okay, so it's a Classic, not a two. I'm looking at the front of it and it just says Macintosh Classic on it. It's got a little floppy drive on there, and whatnot. |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You know, all the good stuff. It's got a keyboard and a mouse, but I don't even keep those things. It's just there, over there, just being art, basically. Just looking like trash, basically. As a matter of fact - not that we should go on this rant much further... On the left - and I'm pointing over ... |
**Drew Wilson:** 2013? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The trash can. |
**Drew Wilson:** Oh, wow. Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The trash can, right next to it. It's kind of funny, because you see this -- I suppose maybe the undercurrent to this conversation could be iteration. It's this iteration of monitor, compute, floppy, keyboard or external devices... Same idea pretty much, except for the monitor, with the 2013 Macinto... |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah. Yeah. And just a very different form factor. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Very different. |
**Drew Wilson:** Yeah, it's wild too, like - this laptop is huge, but if you take the little back portion out of consideration... Because that's where a lot of the larger motherboard and everything is, and the battery mainly... And you just collapse that down and you just take the clamshell piece, it's essentially the ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Drew Wilson:** So it's wild how \[unintelligible 00:13:49.08\] stay the same. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I heard recently that it was Steve Jobs that actually coined the term laptop. Do you know about that? |
**Drew Wilson:** I don't know, but I do know that that term came after this... Because this is called a Portable. Macintosh Portable. They even have a commercial... You can look it up on YouTube, you can find the Macintosh Portable commercial, and they've got like this guy in a business suit, 1980s looking, and he's go... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[14:26\] And they didn't. \[laughter\] Oh, man... |
**Drew Wilson:** Because they're so heavy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I missed you, man. You know, what you have is this -- you have this unusual take, I suppose, on technology... Like you just said there, "And no one's ever going to do that. And they never did." Like, you have this sort of like uncanny instant intuition of what will and what will not persevere throug... |
**Drew Wilson:** Crypto... Crypto... Crypto won't. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You've got a pretty good intuition. |
**Drew Wilson:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What'd you say? |
**Drew Wilson:** I'm trying to be all hot-takey. I'm saying "Crypto won't." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, yes. Crypto won't. Are you against crypto? |
**Drew Wilson:** I'm not against crypto, I'm just against the idea that crypto is the savior of the world, which I think is now falling out of mainstream think, which is cool... Because -- I mean, the technology existed before, it's called SMTP. It's called email, distributed servers serving up the same set of data. An... |
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