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**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. I find if I have -- I like an accountability partner, Jerod, but I find if I have to coordinate with somebody else, it slows me down. I can't -- I've got to spend an extra half hour, or just some buffer in there to deal with the "Hey, how you doing today? Let's get going." |
**Arun Gupta:** Exactly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You almost need somebody who's like super-strict. Don't talk to me... Don't even say my name. Just get to the work. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. You want somebody who's in the same mindset as you are, which is like "Neither one of us want to be here, but we know we should be." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I can't find that person. That's what I'm trying to say. I agree, but I can't find that person. |
**Jerod Santo:** For me it's like if I'm going to get up early, I have to have something to where if I don't do it, I'm letting somebody else down... Because I'm fine with disappointing myself. I do it all the time. But to disappoint someone else is like just harder on me... So I'll get up for them. But not for me. Aru... |
**Arun Gupta:** \[01:03:58.19\] \[laughs\] Yeah. One of the very exciting things we did last year was we went -- I took the entire family to Kilimanjaro, and we all hiked the summit. So my younger son and I are big into fitness, but I trained my older son and my wife... But I'm really, really grateful that we could act... |
**Jerod Santo:** Wow. |
**Arun Gupta:** So all of those really require a high level of fitness. I'm grateful that we're able to do that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Absolutely. |
**Jerod Santo:** So provide a comparison for us... Difficulty and pain of summiting Mount Kilimanjaro, or authoring a book. |
**Arun Gupta:** Oh, authoring a book was easy. Authoring was very easy. |
**Jerod Santo:** Really? |
**Arun Gupta:** Yeah. And my experience -- see, frankly, in 2023 December is when I did all of my writing. I pretty much did all of my writing within two weeks. |
**Jerod Santo:** You just cranked it out. |
**Arun Gupta:** Yeah, yeah. Just two weeks -- |
**Jerod Santo:** Most people say that writing a book is like the hardest thing they've ever done. |
**Arun Gupta:** No... No. |
**Jerod Santo:** No. Weaklings. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's too easy. |
**Arun Gupta:** I mean, this was my seventh book too, right? So I've done that for a while. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, this is your seventh book. Okay, so you have some experience. |
**Arun Gupta:** I've been writing for a while, and particularly for this book, I've always been practicing this. So it was more about structuring my thought and putting it into a chapter format. A lot of the heavy lifting I would say was really working with those 40 plus companies, 40 plus case studies, getting their m... |
**Jerod Santo:** What's hard for you? Tell us something what's hard. |
**Arun Gupta:** I think I take things as they come, and just live in a peaceful, mindful manner. I would say the only hard part was the last day, where they woke us up at 10 in the night, and we hiked all night to reach the summit at seven in the morning, and then come back the same day. So we started like 10 p.m, we h... |
**Jerod Santo:** Down sometimes is harder than up, isn't it? |
**Arun Gupta:** Down sometimes is actually -- down is always hard. A lot more impact on your knees. And the grade is pretty intense, so I think that took a bit of a toll on the body. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I feel like the down is almost more dangerous than the up sometimes, because you can -- you almost have a faster pace because you're naturally being assisted by gravity. But then your knee buckles, your ankle twists, your sure footing may not be sure footing... |
**Jerod Santo:** You slide down on your butt... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Arun Gupta:** Yeah, yeah. And particularly because when we were going up, it was all during night. Because 10 p.m we got up, 11 p.m. we started the hike, and we didn't see sun until 6:30, 7 in the morning. So it was all hike during the night. So with my headlamp, all I'm seeing is the shoes in front of me, and I'm ju... |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, why did you start that late? Did you want to see sunrise, or? |
**Arun Gupta:** Oh, the whole idea was to see sunrise at the summit. That was one. And the second reason was you don't want to stay at the summit, because Kilimanjaro is 19.3441 feet... So at that elevation, usually afternoons are a bit tricky; the thunderstorms can appear. So they wanted you to get back from a higher ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Gotcha. |
**Arun Gupta:** \[01:08:13.23\] Going back to the book, one of the elements that we missed talking about is the relevance of open source foundations. And that's pretty big, actually. We kind of touched upon that topic earlier in the podcast... Open source foundations like Apache, Eclipse, Linux Foundation of course is ... |
It's very important that enterprises understand the relevance of joining these foundations. And there are different tiers of membership... Because joining those foundations really helps you understand all the good things that are happening in the foundation, connects with similar minded leaders... And again, it becomes... |
I remember when I joined Amazon, one of the first events we did, we got up on the re:Invent stage and we said "Hey, build your open source career at Amazon." And this was back in 2017, and that got a lot of applause, because essentially, Adrian Cockcroft, my manager who hired me at that point of time, he was big into o... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm glad you mentioned that, because I think foundations are really important. It's always a grab bag of how you perceive membership, right? Like, you might say "Oh, this is necessary because you've got to support it in cost", but then you think "Well, is that pay to play? Does that get me a seat at... |
**Arun Gupta:** Correct. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But I think that's really important to bring up, because I think that the foundations - they give the neutrality, right? They give the neutrality, the formation... And gosh, what has happened with the Linux Foundation over the last 15 years, I'd say, has just been tremendous. I feel like there's som... |
**Arun Gupta:** That is correct. I mean, different foundations operate very differently. They play a very critical role in terms of growing these open source projects. They provide this central functionality like CI/CD, security audits, legal support, marketing support, event support... So a lot of advantages of these ... |
Some foundations give you a seat at the governing board, depending upon what tier of membership you take. Most of the foundations that I'm aware of, they usually have their technical oversight committee or technical advisory committee. Those seats are all elected. Those are not pay-to-play at all. The maintainership is... |
\[01:12:23.13\] And I like that separation of concerns in that sense. But if the technical folks need some budget support, for example in OpenSSF, they come over to the board. But we're also trying to create swim lanes over there, where a certain level of funding is not required to be seeking permission of board every ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Can you tell us more about douocracy? You just said douocracy. What's this? |
**Arun Gupta:** Yeah, so think about the concept of you do things in open source, and that really helps you rise up in open source. And it really could start with just being a lurker on an open source project, that "Okay, I'm just observing what's going on in the open source project." Then occasionally jumping in, that... |
Then maybe I jump into sort of the overall aspect of looking at other people code, reviewing people code. Then maybe I jump into the element of "Hey, I'm going to start contributing code." And then I'm contributing more serious code. Maybe I'm contributing deeper sections. And eventually, that douocracy is that whole c... |
It's not like "Hey, Intel is part of the CNCF governing board, and Intel must have a maintainer into the project." No, it's purely, purely douocracy. You do the work into the project to rise up to that level of maintainership. |
**Jerod Santo:** I like that, douocracy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How does one begin? So we've got a diverse listenership in our audience... I would say from individual contributor, to leadership, and everywhere in between. What is a good on-ramp? I know you probably described some versions of this in your book, but what are the best ways to begin this culture shi... |
**Arun Gupta:** Yeah, one of the last chapters, that's what I was looking at, in the book... It's really about getting started on your culture change journey. A lot of the times if you continue to do things in a certain way that you've always done, and if you're not challenging the status quo -- because change is the o... |
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