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[S1] ... processed images. [S2] Okay. So- [S1] Which is, which is quite a big reset on the training, 'cause the system's trained on post-processed image, images, so we need to redo all the training, uh, I, to train against the, the raw photon counts instead of the post-processed image.
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[S1] So ultimately, it's kind of reducing the complexity of the whole thing. So, uh, reducing, reducing the- [S2] Yeah. Lines of code will actually go, go lower. [S1] Yeah, that's fascinating. Um, so you're doing fusion of all the sensors, so reducing the complexity of having to deal with these- [S2] Fusion of the came...
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[S1] Yeah, well, well, actually, you need to incorporate, um, sound as well, um, 'cause, you know, you need to, like, listen for ambulance sirens or fi- you know, firetrucks pl- you know, uh, or if somebody, like, you know, yelling at you or something. I don't know, just th- this, th- there's a little bit of audio that...
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[S1] Honestly, frankly, like the ideas are, are the easy thing, and the implementation is the hard thing. Like the idea of going to the moon is, is the easy part. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But going to the moon is the hard part. [S2] Is the hard part. [S1] Um, and there's a lot of, like, hardcore engineering that's gotta get don...
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[S1] If we don't do this, the system will not work properly. Um, so the work of the engineers doing this, they are like the unsung heroes to some, you know, but they are cr- critical to the success of the situation. [S2] I think he made it clear. I mean, at least to me, it's super exciting, everything that's going on o...
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[S1] ... work of art. [S2] Yeah, I think we've got the, the, the sheer scale of it is, is boggles the mind. Like, the training, the amount of work done with, uh, like we've written all this custom software for training and labeling. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Um, and to do order labeling. Order labeling is essential. Um,
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[S1] 'Cause especially when you've got, like, surround video, it's very difficult to, to, to, like, label surround video from scratch. It's extremely difficult. Um, it, like, take a human such a long time to even label one video clip, like several hours. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Uh, or, or to label it, basically we're just ap...
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[S1] I have to ask, since I care about human-robot interactions, so the human side of that, so you've talked about mostly in the factory. Do you see it, uh, also, do you see part of this problem that Tesla Bot has to solve is interacting with humans and potentially having a place, like, in the home? So interacting, not...
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[S1] Um, and then then that, we'll have to pair that obviously with some kind of universal base, basic income in the future. Uh, so I think, um... [S2] So do you see a world when there's like hundreds of millions of Tesla bots doing different, performing different tasks throughout the world? [S1] Yeah, I haven't really...
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[S1] Can I ask a wild question? So the, the number of Tesla cars has been accelerating. It has been close to 2 million produced. Many of them have autopilot. [S2] I think we're over 2 million now. Yeah. [S1] Do you think there will ever be a time when there will be more Tesla bots than Tesla cars?
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[S1] Tesla bot or it's code named Optimus. I call, I call it Optimus Subprime. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] [LAUGHS] It's not, it's not like a giant, you know, transformer robot. Um, so, uh, but it's meant to be a general purpose health, health robot. Um,
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[S1] Still, you do talk about love sometimes. So let me ask, this isn't like for like sex robots or something like that. [S2] I love it's the answer. [S1] Yes. Uh, there is something compelling to us. Not compelling, but we connect with, um, humanoid robots or even leg robots, like with, with dog and shapes of dogs. It...
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[S1] You know, there's a huge amount of loneliness in this world. All of us seek companionship in, with other humans, friendship and all those kinds of things. We have a lot of, here in Austin, a lot of people have dogs. [S2] Sure. [S1] Um, there seems to be a huge opportunity to also have robots that decrease the, uh,
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[S1] ... the, 'cause, you know, like there's a, a Japanese phrase, or like the, uh, uh, wabi-sabi, you know, uh, the subtle imperfections are what makes something special. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And the subtle imperfections of the personality of the robot mapped to the subtle imperfections of the robot's human friend. [S2] [L...
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[S1] Like R2-D2 or like a- [S2] Right. [S1] C-3po sort of thing, you know? [S2] So from a machine learning perspective-
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[S1] I think the flaws being a feature is really nice. You could be quite terrible at being a robot for quite a while in the general home environment or all the, in general world, and that's kind of adorable. And that's like, those are your flaws, and you fall in love with those flaws. So it's, it's a nice- [S2] Yeah, ...
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[S1] But I, I, our initial focus is just to make it useful. Uh, so, so, um, I'm confident we'll get it done. I'm not sure what the exact time frame is, but, uh, like we'll probably have, I don't know, a decent prototype towards the end of next year or something like that. [S2] And it's cool that it's connected to Tesla...
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[S1] Uh, it was mostly mo- Well, it was supposed to be a deep dive on fighters and bomber, uh, technology in World War II, um, but that ended up being more wide ranging than that. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, 'cause I just went down the, a total rat hole of, like, s- studying all of the, the fighters and bombers of World War II...
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[S1] Uh, one country to make this plane, then to make a plane to beat that, and that's the- that's how they make a plane to beat that, and then they'll do- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] [LAUGHS] And really what matters is, like, th- the pace of innovation, um, and also access to high-quality, uh, fuel and, uh, raw materials.
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[S1] Sounds cool, not looks cool. So it's- [S2] Uh, well, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's a, it's a, it takes a moment to read Cyrillic. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Um, once you know what the Cyrillic characters stand for, actually, then reading Russian becomes a lot easier 'cause there are a lot of words that are actually the...
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[S1] And, uh... [S2] So find the words that are exactly the same and now you start to understand Cyrillic, yeah. [S1] If you can, if you can sound it out, then, uh, the, it's much, there's at least some commonality of words. [S2] What about the culture?
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[S1] A lot of it is lost to history because it's not translated, all those kinds of, because it, it is in some ways an isolated culture. It, it flourishes within its, within its borders. Um- [S2] Yeah. [S1] So do you draw inspiration from those folks, from, from the history of- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... science, engineering?
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[S1] And now for something completely different. Do you mind doing a, a bit of a meme review in the spirit of the great, the powerful PewDiePie? Let's say 1 to 11. [S2] Okay. [S1] Just go over a few documents, print it out. [S2] We can try. [S1] Let's try this. I present to you document num- numero uno. [S2] [LAUGHS] I...
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[S1] You get it because, uh, he likes- [S2] Yes, I get it. [S1] ... compelling things. [S2] Yes, I get it. I don't know, three, whatever. Uh- [S1] Oh, that's not very good. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] This is, um, ground in some engineering, some history. [S2] [LAUGHS] Uh, yeah, give us an eight out of 10. [S1] What do you thin...
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[S1] Like, I'm still alive. Okay. [S2] So it's not even that the risk of these events is low, but the impact of them is, is- [S1] The impact is greatly exaggerated. It's, it's just great. [S2] It's human nature.
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[S1] Yeah, I guess radiation is one of the words that can be used as a, as a tool to, to, to fear-monger by certain people. That's it. And- [S2] I think people just aren't, don't understand, so- [S1] I mean, that's the way to fight that, uh, that fear, I suppose, is to understand, is to learn.
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[S1] Yeah, just say like, okay, how many people have actually died from nuclear accidents? It's like practically nothing. And, uh, say how many people have, have died from, you know, coal plants? And it's a very big number. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So, like, obviously we should not be starting up coal plants and shutting down...
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[S1] Uh, you want to go to the next one? It's really bad. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] So, uh, that, uh, 90, 180, and 360 degrees, everybody loves the math, nobody gives a shit about two, 270. [S2] It's not super funny. [S1] It's- [S2] I don't know, like 203. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Um, this is not, uh, you know, LOL situation. [LAUGHS]...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] Well, this is about you. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Oh, yeah. I'd love to get your comment on this. Elon Musk, after sending $6.6 billion to the UN to end world hunger, you have three hours. Um... [S1] Yeah, well, I mean, obviously $6 billion is not gonna end world hunger, so...
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[S1] What do you think that one gets? [S2] Uh, two. [S1] I'm just going after Empire's world. Uh, where did you get those artifacts? The British Museum. Shout out to Monty Python. We found them.
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[S1] Yeah, the British, uh, the British Museum is, is pretty great. I mean- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... it, admittedly, Britain did take, uh, these historical artifacts from all around the world and put them in London, but, uh, you know, it, it, it's not like people can't go see them. Uh, so it is a, a convenient place to see ...
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[S1] Like I said, you gotta look at these things in the context of the, of the history of the time, um, and say, what, what are, what are the alternatives and what are you comparing it against? [S2] Yes. [S1] And I, I, I, I do not think it'll be the case that, um, Britain would get a, a bad grade in, in when looking at...
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[S1] from what is morally acceptable today, you're basically gonna give everyone a failing grade. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I'm, I'm not clear. It's not, I don't think anyone would get a passing grade, um, in, in their morality, uh, of, like, you go back 300 years ago, like, who, who's getting a passing grade? [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1]...
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[S1] Yeah, explain, I'm a, a meme, what it, like a, you know, like a scribe that, like, runs around with the kings and just, like, writes down memes. [S2] I mean, when was the cheeseburger adventure? That's, like, an epic invention. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Like, like, wow. You know? [LAUGHS] That was- [S1] Versus just, like, a...
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[S1] Then there's like, what is a burger, what's, what's a sandwich, and then you start getting- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... It's a pizza sandwich, and what is the original? It's, it's, it gets into an ontology argument. [S2] Yeah, but everybody knows, like, if you order, like, a burger or cheeseburger or whatever, and you, li...
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[S1] Well, that is not what I would have guessed. [S2] But everyone knows, like, you, you, you, you, like, if you order a cheeseburger, you know what you're getting, you know? It's not like some obtuse, like, I wonder what I'll get, you know? Um, you know, uh, fries are, I mean, great. I mean, they're the devil, but fr...
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[S1] Someone drew a bunch of dicks all over the walls of Sistine Chapel, boys bathroom. [S2] Sure, I'll give it a nine. It's super, it's really true. [S1] All right, this is our highest ranking meme for today. [S2] I mean, it's true. Like, how did they get away with it? [S1] Lots of nakedness. [S2] I mean, dick pics ar...
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[S1] Huh. I wonder if I could. Um, I mean, I- [S2] There'll be one way to find out. [S1] You know, I, I have done stand up for friends just, uh, impromptu, you know, I'll get, get on like a roof, uh, and they, they do laugh, but they're our friends too. So, I don't know if, if you've got to call, you know, like a room ...
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[S1] Uh- [S2] Yeah, I might have enough material to do stand-up. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] And I, I've never thought about it, but I might have enough material. Um, I don't know, like 15 minutes or something.
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[S1] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do a, do a Netflix special. [S2] [LAUGHS] A Netflix special, sure. [S1] Um, what's your favorite Rick and Morty concept? Uh, just to spring that on you, is there, there's a lot of sort of scientific engineering ideas explored there. There's the- [S2] [LAUGHS] Favorite Rick and Morty. [S1] There's t...
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[S1] Yeah, that's right. [S2] ... that you voiced. [S1] Yeah. Rick and Morty suddenly explores a lot of interesting concepts. Uh, so like, what's a favorite one? I don't know. The, the, the butter robot suddenly is, uh, you know, it's like, it, it's suddenly possible to have too much sentience in a device. Um, like you...
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[S1] I think that's the thing to aim for. You know, not, not to try to be sort of a leader for just for the sake of being a leader or whatever. Um, a lot of the time people who, who, if, if, if, a lot of the time, if you, the people you want as leaders are, are the people who don't want to be leaders. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1...
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[S1] Is... [S2] Yeah, what's the meaning of life and all, you know? But just generally, like I said, I would, I would encourage people to read broadly, um, in many different subject areas, um, and, and, and then try to find something where there's an overlap of your talents and, and what you're interested in. So people...
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[S1] not creating a constant competition. Like there's a scarcity of resources. What happens when you celebrate others and you promote others, the ideas of others, it, it, uh, it actually grows that pie. I mean, it, the, every, like the, uh, the resource be, the resources become less scarce. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And that,...
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[S1] Better engineer. [S2] Now you're asking really perplexing questions. Um, it, I, I'm so, it's hard to give a... I mean, there are many books, poems, and songs written about what is love and what is, what exactly, you know, um, you know, what is love, baby don't hurt me. [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] So when you look at the whole of it, the, the human history, all the people who's ever lived, all the people alive now, it's pretty, we're, we're okay. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And, and the whole, we're pretty interesting, uh, bunch. [S2] Yeah. All things considered, and I've read a lot of history, including the darkest...
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[S1] Well, SpaceX, we design and manufacture our own rocket engines, so we do not rely on any Russian components at all. Um, this will affect- [S2] For, for, for the, uh, United States of America, it is, uh, dangerous, or- [S1] Well, the Boeing and Lockheed, um, have historically relied on the Russian, uh, RD-180 engin...
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[S1] Uh, they are hoping to move away from that, uh, in the future with, uh, uh, engines from Blue Origin, but those engines are not yet ready for flight. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, there is also the Antares vehicle, which is, uh, uses the RD-181, I believe. Um, they will not be able to fly as a result.
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[S1] SpaceX and Tesla do not, uh, are not forced to develop any kind of weapons technology. Uh, obviously we would only do such a thing if it, it was the last resort. [S2] I mean it more in the metaphorical sense. Not that you produce weapons, but that you are, that your knowledge can be used in order to make a differe...
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[S1] A couple of months ago, we had an exchange about Ernst Junger's famous book. [S2] Oh, yeah. Great book. [S1] Storm of Steel. [S2] Yep. [S1] You were very fascinated by that book which has been published roughly 100 years ago- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... about Junger's experiences in the First World War. Why is, why is tha...
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[S1] Well, I think, like, the, those who are, don't like Jung's book, uh, are basically, you know, just b- because it's not, uh, 100% anti-war in the most extreme way, then that, that it's, therefore it's bad. [S2] No, it's like a report. It's just neither- [S1] Yeah. He's just saying this is what happened today- [S2] ...
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[S1] I mean, learn the lessons of history, such that we do not, uh, repeat the, the mistakes of the past. Um. [S2] Well, we know that saying, "History doesn't repeat," but it rhymes, and we see a rhyme these days. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Back to the bigger strategic, uh, picture. I mean, the, the, the terrible actions of Putin...
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[S1] Actually, can I just say, I think it's very important that Germany not shut down its nuclear power stations. I think this is extremely crazy. Uh, uh- [S2] I just wanted to ask a question on that because if we, if we really want to reduce Putin's power and Europeans and Germany's dependence on Russian energy, this ...
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[S1] Uh, please do not shut down the nuclear power plants, uh, and, uh, please re- reopen the ones that, um, have been shut. This is total madness to shut them down. I want to be clear. [S2] Let's- [S1] Total madness. [S2] Let's see whether your very clear words are heard in Europe. [S1] I mean, I'm trying to use the s...
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[S1] ... strongest woods. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I would say this is a national security risk. It's not like, like, listen, play time is over, okay? Uh, obviously, play time is over. This is a national secur- it's a national security risk to shut these things down. [S2] It's another bitter le- uh, lesson of that war. Uh, it i...
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[S1] ... National Security- [S2] ... National Security. [S1] ... and it's a climate issue for, for, you know, replacing, I think people don't understand, like, you know, the coal power plants, uh, because of their emissions, they cause a certain number of deaths every year, much, far more dangerous than nuclear power p...
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[S1] It's not going to last forever. And so, uh, we have to transition to something that is long-term in any case, 'cause we will run out of hydrocarbons to burn. So then, let's just not run the experiment. Uh, but I, I'm much less of a climate alarmist than people might think. Although of course my words are taken, yo...
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[S1] You once told me, uh, about, uh, population that, uh, the decrease of reproduction rate, birth rate is one of the most underestimated problems of our times. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Can you explain? [S2] Um, yeah. So most people in the world are operating under the false impression that, uh, that there are too many people....
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[S1] Let's also hear why we need alternatives. You have t- recently presented Optimus- [S2] Oh, yes. [S1] ... Human Robot, uh, and you shared great expectations for what that could do for the world. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Could you explain a little bit your motivation? I assume it's not only about, uh, the first visit to Mars...
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[S1] Um, I think it probably would. Yeah, I think so. It's just, it's like I said, general purpose humanoid, uh, yeah, so. [S2] You said the potential is bigger than the, than the potential of Tesla. If that's true, then- [S1] Whole cars, yeah. [S2] ... then it must be really a mass market product. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Prob...
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[S1] You know, a remote island, a shipwrecked on an island, um, and, and you've got $1,000,000,000 in a Swiss bank account. It's worthless. You'd rather have a can of soup. So, you know, all the Bitcoin in the world and you're still gonna starve. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] So, uh, the, the actual economy is goods and services....
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[S1] But anyway, Optimus is also an answer to the problem of, uh, uh, drop in, uh, birth rates. If we have not enough human people, we need more bots. [S2] Well, for Optimus, I think- [S1] ... to get the work done. [S2] ... Optimus will be helpful with respect to dropping birth rates. But, I mean, like I said, you have...
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[S1] Elon, you have solved so many problems of mankind and presented so many solutions. I'm surprised that one topic seems not to be too fascinating for you, and that is the project of longevity and increased lifespan significantly. Why are you not passionate about that? [S2] Well- [S1] You're not personally interested...
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[S1] You know, if you're, if you're like many generations older than them. Um, and the founders in the US, they put minimum ages for, uh, political office, but they did not put maximum ages. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] 'Cause they did not expect that people would be living so long, but they should have. Um, 'cause you really wan...
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[S1] maintain, uh, health for a longer period of, period of time. Um, but I'm not afraid of dying. I think it will come as a relief. So... [S2] Although you may not be able to see the vision of SpaceX come true in your life. [S1] Well, I'd like to live long enough to see that.
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[S1] Being at a net worth of 230 billion, roughly, being perceived as the richest person, uh, on Earth. [S2] Well, I think Putin is significantly richer than me. [S1] You really do, yeah? [S2] Yes. Well, I, I mean, I can't go invade countries and stuff. I, I believe... [LAUGHS] I mean, there's like some old quote that ...
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[S1] Um, so, but we were able to just barely raise enough money to squeak by, um, and close the financing round for Tesla, uh, on the last hour of the last day that it was possible in Christmas Eve, 2008. And if we had not closed that financing round, then it would have gone bankrupt two days after Christmas. [S2] So y...
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[S1] Do you see any danger that one day not only big platforms like Google or Facebook could face, uh, much more rigid, uh, regulation, but that Elon Musk could be regulated because of being too big? [S2] Regulated to do what? Uh, actually, as it is, uh, you know, SpaceX and Tesla are regulated. [S1] No, but I mean tha...
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[S1] Uh, well, the, you know, I, I, the, like I said, it's a big struggle to give away money effectively. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, if you care about, like I said, if you care about the reality of doing good and not the perception of doing good, then it is very hard to give away money effectively. And I care about the, the r...
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[S1] You know, what heroes of, uh, underrated heroes are the people who are doing a service in hospitals helping elderly people. And I think they don't have a lobby. [S2] Yeah, okay. [S1] So I think to do something for them because we all need them if we are in trouble.
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[S1] Think about it. If you Google Elon Musk, I think you have 156 million search results. [S2] Really? [S1] 76 million Twitter followers. You're definitely one of the most popular people on earth. Is popularity a pleasure or a liability for you?
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[S1] It reminds me a bit of, uh, the former Chancellor of Germany, Helmut Kohl, who once, uh, told me, "You cannot imagine how terrible it is to go to a restaurant, everybody recognizes you, comes to your table- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... ask you for an autograph. That's terrible." There is only one thing in life that is wors...
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[S1] mind, and then, uh, getting Starship to work, not just to get to orbit, but to achieve full and rapid reusability, which is really the holy grail of rocketry that is necessary for humanity to become a multi-planet species. [S2] Is there anything that you would... [S1] I don't think those things might happen this y...
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[S1] Impossible is a strong word, but... [S2] You don't like that word. [S1] Well, it's just a, it's a strong word. I, I mean, I sort of approach things from a physics standpoint and, uh, the, the word impossible is, you know, more or less banned in physics. Um, so, um, I'm really worried about this birth rate thing. T...
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[S1] Because I just don't see it turning around. You know, I, every year it's worse. And, uh, I drive my friends crazy by- [S2] Perhaps that's a project for your foundation. [S1] Sure. [S2] Okay. You are a multi-talent person. Is there any field of total incompetence? [S1] I'm terrible at dancing. [S2] Although you lik...
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[S1] Uh, the German author Thomas Mann once, uh, said, uh, the purpose of life, to be an engineer in the interest of progress of mankind. [S2] Sure. [S1] Is that a good definition for your own ambitions? [S2] Yeah, I think that is a good definition. [S1] Is freedom for you the most important value of the society? [S2] ...
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